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I'm looking to replace a eventide space and a volca kick. I have a Moog mother 32, a subharmonicon, a cyclone tt303 and a Korg ER1.

I enjoy making live stuff in the techno, electro, IDM end of things (much love for mindcolourmusic, central processing unit, old rephlex, warp and the like) but have gotten into patching between the two moogs. Things like using the sequencers on the subharminicon to effect the filter cutoff and resonance of them for example, sending random CV to cutoff, sending the subH into the sound in on the mother. Also enjoying the ring mod on the Korg.

The ER1 is weak in the kick department so I got a volca kick which works really well and frees up the other 4 oscillators for percussion and other sounds. It takes up desk space though.

I put the three synths through an Eventide Space. It can get muddy but I use a send and return on my mixer to increase and decrease the reverb for each one. Again it's another box with cables in and out of the back.

Question, if I sell the eventide and the volca kick, can I get a kick module and some reverb for the three synths inside of a Doepfer A100 84 hp case. It would allow me to streamline the set up and when I have more more cash I like the idea of adding more filter, LFO or other modulation in the future.

Hi Warmofada,

Great looking rack! Enjoy modular :-)

I wish you and everyone a Happy New Year, may this be a good year for all of us. Stay healthy and kind regards, Garfield.

Basically what I was confused at was, Why are my Kicks rather quiet. Triggers are the reason.

Yeah that was one of my beginner discoveries, that there are very different gates and triggers and the triggered modules like envelopes react to that. Looking at that on the Mordax Data made it clearer.
Don't have a solution but learned to understand it and live or work with it.

Hiya...
The VCA does the trick putting the triggers through Veils works best with the exponential knob set all the way left.
I've just tried the Befaco Burst and all its triggers are big and fat :) makes nice punchy drums.
I'll have a read up on that ADDAC module.

Thanks

EDITED Dec 31st 2022, 17:26

The 7j send a ~8v gate signal. Pamela output is limited to 5v. Try boosting the output of Pamela to see if it fix the problem. (Math channel 2, a vca, frap tool 321 or any other utility that can boost the signal).

Another great kit from 4MS (I gotta get more from them).
This is their noise generator, and it's full of modification sources to make some really fun noise. Also allows you to put tones in to pass through the noise section.
Another great output is a noise-generated random CV source, in the test section you'll see me feed that to note CV on a VCO with very interesting results.
Moderate build, not bad.
I highly recommend this one if you want a highly variable noise source and random CV source.
Build

That's kind of the whole deal about (analog) triggers, I guess. The triggers can vary in length and voltage.

My Befaco Modules send pretty strong (10V?) and short pulses. The LL8 is some what slow and I think it's outputting less voltage.

I'm currently shortening some of the LL8 Triggers with Stages but also thought of getting something like this ADDAC217 to free Stages. https://www.modulargrid.net/e/addac-system-addac217

Has anyone got any tips on making drum triggers all the same.

I note that triggers from different modules will make for either less of more punchy percussion.

For instance on my https://www.modulargrid.net/e/patching-panda-bd-z the manual trigger button give a big whack of a Kick as does the gate button from my https://www.modulargrid.net/e/transient-modules-7j and Mutable's Marbles but my DNIpro DOT / Robaux LL8 and Pam's New Workout all seem to make a much more subtle trigger.
also give a good fulsome trigger pulse too.

Feels like I need a module to make all Trigger pulses alike when really all these modules should be producing the same strength of Trigger.

https://blackwarriorlures.bandcamp.com/album/heal

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I like the DB-01 a lot; it's great fun all by itself. I don't think you need the Pexp-1 just for that; the DB-01 is based on a Eurorack module, and takes clock in (just a regular Pam's channel), as well as pitch, gate, and filter CV in. Its output is hot enough for Eurorack and doesn't need boosting, if you want to take the signal back into the rack. I don't have experience with the other things you mentioned, though people seem to like the Beebo a lot.
-- plragde

Hi Warmofada,

I agree with Plragde about "wrong" questions, they don't exist! Only wrong answers might exist, so my apologies to you if this is a "wrong" answer ;-). Therefore don't worry, that's why there is this forum :-) So "shoot" your questions at us, we try our best to respond and you are welcome :-)

Still, I like to stress out the importance of testing as many as possible modules in Perfect Circuit, then if you are hesitating about module A, B or C (just an example) then of course you can ask their help to advise you, however test first, it gives you a much better understanding of each module that you might consider.

Good luck with this modular adventure, it sounds pretty exciting what you are sharing here with us. Besides all the excitement, I wish you good luck and lots of modular fun, welcome to modular synthesizers, one of the best inventions :-) Enjoy your first abroad travel, I hope it will be a good memory for you in the future! Kind regards, Garfield.
-- GarfieldModular

Guys, thanks alot for youre help, i'm finally with all set, made a diy side panel for the rack and it´s just a blast. I'm just enjoying the process of modular, try things for days then ripp all apart and start over. SO NICE!!

The rack:
https://freeimage.host/i/Huugh11

I think 104hp is going to be too small for the amount of variation you are hoping to achieve (twinkly and abrasive). To maximize space and gain a lot of different functions in 10hp with no menu diving, I HIGHLY recommend one of the Noise Engineering Versio modules. You can flash them with different firmware (super easy process) for the task at hand. I love the Desmodus (reverb/delay), Melotus (granular), and Ruina (distortion) firmwares. Melotus could cover your Clouds needs in a smaller footprint and give you access to even more functions if you choose to pursue them. This is one of the better investments I have made in euro.
Have fun and good luck!

-- farkas

I've put a 126hp skiff together which includes Ears, Wogglebug, Morphagene, Imitor Versio and an FX Aid Pro. For the sort of thing you've listed as musical intentions/interest I'd say you'd have loads of fun with the Morphagene and a Versio or Mimeophon. I've flashed my Versio with Repetita Versio written by Hirnlego. It's an amazing looper and delay. My understanding is that it's inspired my Mimeophon. As Farkas said it's flashable to become a range of good, interesting effect modules. I do however recommend checking out the Repetita.

https://github.com/hirnlego/repetita-versio

I bought the FX Aid Pro yesterday and think it's a good multi effects module, but not "wow!". If you have limited space it may be worth checking out a stomp box adapter like this:
https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/ai006-kit/
and picking up a used Line 6 M5 multi effect. they go for really little money and are far better than the Zoom offerings. I payed £50. It even has an expression pedal input which can be assigned to any parameter.

This is one of my current skiffs

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2049997.jpg

I also have another with Pressure Points and Rene Mk1

EDITED Dec 31st 2022, 12:29

I've had a good time with this module. I'd recommend it to anyone getting in to Eurorack. The filter has a bit of a Moog sound.

EDITED Jun 10th 2023, 00:26

Bought a Xaoc Zadar from @peabreu.
Very fast shipment, nice communication - highly recommended seller!

Quid sidechain du master effect (trigger ou audio ?)
Quid dual sampling du mk4 ?
Quid sync tonalité m32 et osc ext ?

EDITED Dec 30th 2022, 19:03

That's true, but if we compare modular synths to an instrument, it's like you have to build your guitar every time before you start composing. Surely for each song you had in mind, you would choose one type of wood or another, more or less strings, etc... This is the theme, you have a sound in mind, and you are looking for how to achieve and you end up acquiring new gear.
There are sounds that can be achieved with your current equipment, but especially at the beginning, there are sounds that you can only get with a specific setup.

@modulargrid

@gumbo23
1. open the two racks in two different browser windows.
2. be sure Keyboard Shortcuts are enabled
3. in the first window hover over a module and press c
4. in the second window hover over the rack (important) and press v

-- modulargrid

Your workaround does not work properly on mobile devices like iPad :(
Also it's complicated when trying to store iterations of your whole setup.
To have two (or more?) cases with separate power consumption charts on the same page would definitely let me pay for a unicorn account :)

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Friends and /W arrived tonight. Have not touched /W yet, but Friends is already a freakin Monster. Well worth the wait. Their stuff is insane quality too. I can't wait to get Three Sisters, and Mangrove. I want to get a Monome Teletype to take advantage of the I2C bus behind the panel. Disting Ex has I2C. but I'm not sure how they may interact. I need some I2C cables.

Friends and /W arrived tonight. Have not touched /W yet, but Friends is already a freakin Monster. Well worth the wait. Their stuff is insane quality too. I can't wait to get Three Sisters, and Mangrove. I want to get a Monome Teletype to take advantage of the I2C bus behind the panel. Disting Ex has I2C. but I'm not sure how they may interact. I need some I2C cables.

This will be terrific to get started with. Pam's + Zadar + Plaits + BIA + Marbles could keep you going for a good long while before you really "need" anything else.

Its probably best skimmed through haha

I've never worked with a pre-existing kick drum sample, but I've made some huge kick or kick-ish drum sounds from scratch just starting with an LFO. Filters, tube amps, reverbs, frequency shifters, all of these can be very useful, you just have to experiment.

EDITED Dec 29th 2022, 22:27

I'm kind of a newbie here, but I would suggest some filters. You can add some nice movement to a bass drum by putting it through a filter and modulating the filter's frequency or resonance with a sequencer or LFO or envelope follower or...

I'm primarily a guitar/bass player. But I've also had several different synthesizers and sequencers over the years, and eventually got seduced by eurorack modular within the past year. So, I do consider myself a newbie around here. Anyway... Really enjoyed this discussion and it got me thinking...

Philosophically, I have always felt that the SONG was king. And, I know lots of folks feel the same. IOW, it could be a crap recording played on a $100 pawn shop guitar. As long as it's a good song, it will still be a good song. Likewise, playing a weak, uninspired song on a $5K Hummingbird is never going to make it a good song. So, good music, a good song isn't ultimately about the gear.

But, I start to wrestle a little bit with that idea when it comes to modular synths. Especially as someone who is still learning some of the basics, it often feels like the gear itself actually has a huge influence on the music that comes out. Add a new module to the rack and it can inspire new sounds you never imagined. Realize a new way to patch things up and the gear is now a major part of the inspiration for the next awesome new song that you create. It actually is about the gear.

I'm not saying it's good or bad. I just think it's interesting. Maybe a little bit of a paradox.

Very nice, driver update went well. The unpatching went well, too. I just skimmed through and will listen in full later.

I've not done this for a while, had to update OBS and the iphone drivers and reinstate the Youtube stream key... hopefully this is all working OK?
I'm going to slowly pull all the patch leads!

I nearly maxed out the power with a Konstant Labs StrongPWR. It most likely provides more power than I can ever use in a 2x 84hp case. Why did I do it?
-- Arrandan

I went the same route for my case, the other thing is it’s expandable - can add a larger PSU, another power board and two more bus boards to support 12u cases

Good post! For my first DIY case, I nearly maxed out the power with a Konstant Labs StrongPWR. It most likely provides more power than I can ever use in a 2x 84hp case. Why did I do it? Well, it comes in a nice package deal with two filtered bus boards that instantly got rid of the hiss plaguing my Intellijel 7U case when connected to my iPad. Second - is it really that expensive indeed. I think €250 or thereabouts was well spent on peace of mind.

Maybe I should add - "don't skimp on case and power - a mantis is the same price as a module!" - to my signature!!! although I think I'm at the character limit already...

Advice is a fantastic thing - you can either take it or leave it - and there's so much it's difficult to tell which is the good advice and which isn't!!!

Stories of a novice.
3 months ago I decided to start in the world of modular, after several years with VCV.
First of all, I watched videos, read forums, etc.
At first, ignoring opinions from some forums, I decided to build myself a 3U 104HP case.
I decided on the "cheap" option for the power supply. The famous Meanwell RT-65B with 2 buses.
At the last moment, I decided to listen to what I read and built a 6U 104HP case.
What I want to tell you is what just happened to me with the power supply. Run works fine. No problems so far, but I've run out of power on the -12v rail (it only has 500mA). Well, I had to decide to put another meanwell, one for each bus. I had to disassemble all the modules, the cover of the box (luckily I made a removable cover) and redo the wiring. A great mess!!!!.
I hope this helps other newbies like me to keep in mind that:
-3U 104HP is NEVER enough, not even at first.
-Better an external source, type 4ms or Modulaire maritime for example
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/4ms-company-row-power-40
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/modulaire-maritime-cargo
Maybe it costs a little more than what I have spent but it is worth it. (€80 option 2 x meanwell plus accessories vs €120-150 external option, with power brick), without taking into account the boring work that it has cost me.
As @JimHowell1970 rightly says, Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine. And the utility modules draw negative current, and in the end the source becomes obsolete.
Greetings to all and sorry if I have bored you.

v1.2 installed and all is well! Thank you! Very cool stuff! So, it's the right button, not the left. I pro'lly should'a picked that up the first time I read the manual... Doh! But it's all good now! Thanks, again for the help!

EDITED Dec 28th 2022, 20:34

NB I think Noise Reap closed
-- JimHowell1970

It is but the designs have been open sourced with few restrictions

https://github.com/odeliy/noise-reap/tree/master/modules

while holding the left button, and turning up harmonics, the model lights should light up- in order- all the way to the top.
-- fretless19

OK. That's definitely not happening. I'm off to install v1.2. Thanks!

Yes, this is much better option than double ADSR. Do you think that I should replace Pam's with this module or this is just great addition to Pam's features?

-- luinnar

Keep Pam's and Zadar. Pam's is the heartbeat of my entire rack. I mostly set it and forget it and tweak other modules, but it drives almost everything in my rack.
Have fun and good luck.

Greetings, good people of MG.

We are excited to announce the arrival of our tiny yet useful 1u module: Tensile Tile. The bootloader is officially finished, meaning that updates will be doled out according to community demands as well as our own (every patch could always use one more saturator, envelope generator, vca, etc.) It's open-sourced, so if there's a function that you feel it's lacking then you can implement it yourself.

Here is the list of current functions:
-Audio effects encompassing ring mod, rate reduction, three different flavors of waveshaping, and two flavors of bit crushing.

-Audio utilities such as low pass filter, vca, inverted vca, polarizer, and rectifier.

-CV utilities like slew limiter, sample and hold, comparator, and max and min.

-All of the usual logic gates.

-Two different modulatable ASR envelope generators.

To alleviate the configuration procedure (as there is only one button to flip through folders/ functions) there's a user folder which the module will initiate to once a function has been added to it.
More functions are in the works, and we are very open to suggestions. Let us know what you're missing and we will try our best to make it happen.

Available very soon!
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/other-unknown-tensile-tile

EDITED Dec 28th 2022, 18:50

First of all, thanks for all of your comments! I need to learn a lot :) It's hard to wrap up all of my additional questions, but I will try.

I'd rather have veils
I would go with Mutable Veils (2020 version)
Get a MI Veils (V2) for a VCA

I bought last in the World Veils, so I'm doomed and my modular sync adventure has started ;)

case is weird size if you are actually building it - 84hp or 104hp rails are easier to buy - and a better size - especially the 104...

Yes, I want to build one. I changed its size to 64 because this helps me think small, I want to build 6u x 84hp case. My idea is to start with ~10 modules.

you do have too many sound sources to start with and too many in the long run in this size case
I'd also take a look at your end of chain (eoc) mixer - not enough channels for what's in the case already... no send/return

I removed Cs-L, so Plaits and BIA as sound sources. I decided for this mixer because it has headphones out... Right now I think that it's better to have separated modules for mixer and for headphones to have more creative possibilities. 4 channel mixer (with some stereo inputs) will be enough for this or I need more? I'm not quite sure about this Stmix from Befaco.

For ambient, look into Zadar.
Xaoc Zadar is great for envelopes.

Yes, this is much better option than double ADSR. Do you think that I should replace Pam's with this module or this is just great addition to Pam's features?

the multi-fx, which I'd replace with an fx aid pro

Fx aid pro has bazillion effects but only 1 channel, more to explore but one sound sorce at the time... Tough decision.

This is my second approach, but I still think that I'm missing things. Some more utils needed. But I want to limit myself to 10 (max 11 modules) and try not to cross 2,5k euro.

EDITED Dec 29th 2022, 17:45

Also curious, does v1.2 retain all the features of v1.1 (color blind mode and LFO mode) as well as the 8 new models?
-- moosapotamus
Yes.
I would suggest just installing the newest firmware, as opposed to 1.1.

while holding the left button, and turning up harmonics, the model lights should light up- in order- all the way to the top. each light representing a tuning higher than the last. The LFO setting is found below the lowest pitch setting.

Thanks, Jim & fretless. I followed that procedure. The two bottom model leds light up once harmonic is turned all the way up and stay lit while I turn harmonic back down, then they go out when I release the left button. And no chasing leds, and still no LFO action.

BTW, just curious, where is that procedure documented?

Maybe I'll try Jim's suggestion, but install v1.1 instead of the most recent v1.2. Since I can go into color blind mode, I assume that I already have v1.1, but that's the way the module came to me. Maybe a reinstall will do it?

Also curious, does v1.2 retain all the features of v1.1 (color blind mode and LFO mode) as well as the 8 new models?

Thanks for the feedback Jim - really handy. Can you recommend any utility modules you've enjoyed using? Currently toying with the idea of adding in Miso or Triplatt, but perhaps they're a bit overkill with the CVP already in there?

I'm totally open to suggestions on the oscillator front. Pam's is a great shout. I think Permutation stays in as I can't seem to find a Turing function in Pam's unless I'm missing something?

I'm happy to replace the case with a larger one later down the line to be honest and it will most likely happen before long, but that being said the nudge led to good discoveries on the EG front with Quadigy so thanks for that. Lower hp SOU alternates that spring to mind are Random Sampling (admittedly still on the large side), Wogglebug and Sloths unless you have any other ideas? Can't deny RS looks pretty cool with the ASR feature.

Updated rack below

EDITED Dec 28th 2022, 22:12

How do I enable LFO mode? moosapotamus

hold left button, turn up harmonic(to reset its zero point), then turn harmonic all the way down.

NB I think Noise Reap closed
-- JimHowell1970
Yes, unfortunately. My idea was to get a second hand Paradox.

NB I think Noise Reap closed

attached the dark ambient rack from broken-form
-- zuggamasta

thank zuggamasta - in that case maybe not...

each channel of the tex-mix has a vca built in... as does plaits - so probably for audio there's no need for more vcas -

BUT it mightn't hurt to have some more for modulating modulation

For ambient music, as a second oscillator in addition to the versatile Plaits you can perhaps start with a double oscillator and a waveshaper
A serious cheap option
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/noise-reap-paradox-- (oscillator)
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/modulaire-maritime-tarot (waveshaper).
They are the ones I have in mind for my next case extension.
-- ferranadsr

The Noise Reap paradox is fantastic. And the latest version has some great additions (which make the module a little more crowded). I'm using the v1 in my rack and it's already very versatile.

attached the dark ambient rack from broken-form

I'd just say that you'd be surprised how far you can get with just one oscillator or sound source, split the audio off 2-3 ways into different effects or through a Wavefolder etc. I'd suggest any VCO with multiple outs or the MakeNoise STO with its S-Gate will practically let you do a melody line with a baseline all out of the same module.
Options for utilities would be MI's Links & Kinks, the latter has a noise source in the S&H section.

For ambient music, as a second oscillator in addition to the versatile Plaits you can perhaps start with a double oscillator and a waveshaper
A serious cheap option
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/noise-reap-paradox-- (oscillator)
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/modulaire-maritime-tarot (waveshaper).
They are the ones I have in mind for my next case extension.

Building on (and agreeing with) what others have said…
1) Get a MI Veils (V2) for a VCA. There is one left in stock at Signal Sounds at this very moment. Do not hesitate, buy it now! Do not think twice, don’t think about import fees if you do not live in the UK. This is a rare and disappearing opportunity, don’t pass it up!
It is 4 VCA’s in 10hp with offset, a huge amount of gain to bring line levels to Modular levels, is DC coupled so can handle both audio and CV. It can sum/ mix and runs 0v to 8v (rather than just 0v to 5v) which is important for some modules (Verbos for example). Again, all in 10hp. It will hold its value in the future.
2) Xaoc Zadar is great for envelopes. It can be dialed up quickly and the envelopes range from simple to more complex and can be attenuated within the module itself. The four separate envelopes match up with the four VCA’s in Veils. All in 10hp.

Good luck!

Yeah I meant there were already built DIY versions available.....

personally I would go with Mutable Veils (2020 version) ... and there are also DIY versions out there.
-- adaris

it's a bastard of a DIY module though not as difficult as some of the other mutable modules - unless you are very experienced at building smd electronics - I would stay away - hopefully ALA will get a full size clone out shortly

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