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Do you plan on having a clock source?
I would have a couple of traditional ADSRs in the rack even if you're going to keep the Zadar.
Noise sources?
Additional utilities will eventually be on your list.
Plan to have a bigger rack than this. The amount of HP you've left yourself just won't do. Eurorack systems grow.
-- Ronin1973

For the audio signal, my interface has enough I/O so it's not a concern.

I'm definitely short on attenuation and CV mixing. The Erebus has a noise source as well as one s&h and VC Amplifier with attenuator and inverted outputs. Not enough (I usually use the VCA on the Erebus for it's own patches) but in my style I rarely use all the instruments in one track so maybe I can share it for the time being.

I can send clock, cv, gates from the Beat Step Pro too.

I already have this rack so, by god, I will fill it and then move on to another rack if I need to. Im just looking at the best compromise for this rack so it's usable for the time being. Perhaps a smaller sequencer than the voltage block, which would allow me to add more utilities. I'll probably get rid of the 8hp clouds clone since, while fun, it's not essential to me.

How do you intend on mixing audio signals and attenuating/mixing CV?
Output?
Do you plan on having a clock source?
I would have a couple of traditional ADSRs in the rack even if you're going to keep the Zadar.
Noise sources?
Additional utilities will eventually be on your list.

Plan to have a bigger rack than this. The amount of HP you've left yourself just won't do. Eurorack systems grow.

It's possible to fit 89 hp per row with the RackBrute. My 3U :

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-- Ronin1973

Apologies, it's fixed now.

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I have no idea what I was thinking when I put this rack together. What was my inspiration, it just looks totally random and almost foreign to my sensibilities.

Hi all,
I mainly do beat oriented music, shifting from harsh-sounding techno to bassline heavy EBM. Currently producing with a Vermona DRM MKIII, Moog Minitaur, Dreadbox Erebus V3 and soft synths. With a few pedals that I mainly use to distort the DRM.
I usually layout the sequencing on a Beatstep pro and do the final sequence adjustments in Ableton.

As I'm running out of space, the proposed rack will expand my drums with the Intellijel Plonk, add an acid-type bassline, and the Piston honda for those big and harsh wavetable sounds that they do.

My questions is in regards of the modulation sources that I have selected and the empty space that i still have on the rack. I'm I good with what I have? What else could I add. I know I will probably need some Midi to cv type of module or Expert Sleepers stuff.
Perhaps some Attenuverters?

What do you guys think?

Here's the link to the rack:

EDITED Today, 18:52

It's really hard to get "a little bit" into modular synthesis. Can you get sounds out of your current set-up... of course. But in this current set-up with digital sound sources, you've spent a lot for what could be done with $100 VST plug-in.
-- Ronin1973

That’s interesting. However I don’t want to have a computer in a club . Also , I can swap sound sources in and out ?

My current set up is a Roland Tr8s and Moog Sub 37 going into Ableton.

After having a go on other people’s modulars I just find it a lot more inspiring for the music I like to make .

TrueGrid really isn't viable at this time... in my opinion.

I would go with VCV Rack. It's free. Just do a Google search for the website URL.

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_972624.jpg

Hi all,

After some constructive criticism for my first build (in progress). I buy modules very slowly and learn how to use them before moving on. So far I've bought the Disting and CLX.

My Rackbrute is attached to a MiniBrute 2s.

The rack design is me gathering possible future purchases.

Cheers all.

It's really hard to get "a little bit" into modular synthesis. Can you get sounds out of your current set-up... of course. But in this current set-up with digital sound sources, you've spent a lot for what could be done with $100 VST plug-in.

The Noise Tool from Intellijel is perfect for what you want. It includes a sample & hold circuit. It's normaled to the white noise section but you insert your own source and triggers. It also has a built in clock that can be set to random triggers as well. It has plenty of features and is as non-menu divey as you can get. I believe you have space for it in your 1U row. I have one and it's a very useful utility module.

How do I make it show changes ?

I’ve bought these modules now . I want to use outboard effects and mixer . Is this enough for now ?

Still there?

Two thoughts about sample and hold of external CVs: You could just get a dedicated s&h module. I have 2hp "s&h" next to Marbles, for exactly this reason. Also, take a look at Verbos' "Random Sampling". It has an ASR that allows you to sample external CVs (I have never used this module, though)

https://www.blackholecases.com/product-page/blackholesub-six

I recently read Batumi can do this, yes. Thanks a lot for the source. In fact random Batumi into Intellijel Noise Tools might be a cheap and simple solution for what I am searching. Perhaps I will upgrade later with marbles. Sounds good, thanks!

EDITED Yesterday, 20:44

Is it possible to add a colour category to modules? Even if the options are just black, silver and other, it would be handy to filter modules by faceplate colour sometimes.
-- Tranquillitatis

Dude... YES! Having a color category would be awesome to sort by.

Is it possible to add a colour category to modules? Even if the options are just black, silver and other, it would be handy to filter modules by faceplate colour sometimes.

Thanks for the posts regarding power. I wanted to err on the side of caution as a beginner. Plus i made the case myself and didnt feel confident with installing power, so this seemed like the best option for now. I read that i should look at having a 'beefy' power supply to have plenty of headroom, hence the 2 row powers. So far i have only 1 row installed and am taking it slowly learning as much as possible about each module. and Wow! what a fantastic journey, modular is amazing.
Made even better by the community that surrounds it.

Have to agree, although branching off a new category might be a bit much. What if the mods were able to instead add a "marker" of sorts to the tiles...something like a "P" for the original format, and "I" for Intellijel's?

But yeah...the tile situation is becoming the mess that I figured it would when Intellijel started bringing out these not-exactly-1U tiles. Didn't like that then, still don't like it. At least Analogue Systems FINALLY had the sense and decency to start making their not-exactly-Eurorack modules with proper Eurorack power connectors and oval mounting holes to avoid the wacky .5 hp discrepancy problem. Seems like Intellijel might take a cue from that move and make it easier for users to incorporate their tiles into something other than cases spaced for that specific format variation.

Is there a particular power consumption/+12v power requirement I am not seeing here?
-- mistakeets

There's a power consumption requirement you're not seeing here.

If the 4ms Row Power 30 only supplies 1500 mA on the +12V rail, the lower row is close to 1000 mA. Then the upper row is about 500 mA. If you used just one Row Power 30, you would be very close to the maximum allowable current for that P/S...when in normal operation. Not only is that not good (lots of heat, component stress, etc) for the P/S, there's also the question of inrush current levels at start-up, which would almost certainly exceed the +12V rail's rating for milliseconds. Doesn't sound like much...but it only takes milliseconds of excessive loading to wreck the P/S and potentially cause chaos to anything connected to that +12V rail.

As this stands now, the lower row runs at 2/3rds of the Row Power 30's capability, leaving 1/3rd of capacity as headroom for inrush loads...and this is about right, although you could go up to 1/4th of capacity as that headroom buffer and still be safe. But there's no way that you'd get away with powering BOTH rows from the same Row Power 30 if you factor that inrush into current loading...so, yes, that's actually done right.

Qu-Bit Chance seem also interresting.

Since you have Batumi, the expert firmware add a bank of 4 random waveform.

Demo:
Alt Firmware 1.1 : https://github.com/xaocdevices/batumi/releases/tag/alt-v1.1

Is there a particular power consumption/+12v power requirement I am not seeing here? Having two Row Power feels like overkill to me. If you do not already have the case with the Row Power modules, I would recommend a case such as a Tiptop Mantis, Doepfer, or perhaps the EricaSynths monster case. This would free up some hp and give you room for another VCA, or maybe a wavefolder/waveshaper module of some kind.

It would be interesting for me to use any CV signal, for example a simple sine by an LFO (or something more complex) and feed it to the sample and hold or marbles. So for example every time the t1 gate of marbles is triggered, the -5V to 5V sine signal by the LFO is sampled (eg. 3,2 V) and hold until the next time t1 is triggered. For me this would be the main purpose I am looking for in my setup. As far as I know WoggleBug and also Noise Tools do this.

*Edit: typos
*Edit2: Of course the SaH of marbles internal CV generation function is also awesome, but in the beginning I was looking for something perhaps more simple for sample and hold of CV modulation I already have in the rack.

EDITED Saturday August 17, 18:46

I am not sure if this is what you mean, but you can send a trigger into the right-hand-side "clock" jack on Marbles to externally trigger the s&h for all three random CVs.

Hi, with the new proliferation of 1U modules/tiles would it now be possible to have a "Tiles" vs "Modules" category for 1U, whereby Tiles would be all the Pulp Logic compatible format ones with those tiny power connectors, and the "Modules" would be all the Intellijel format ones that use full-sized modular power connects.

I think this would be really helpful, as the 1U is starting to get super cluttered. Before it was sufficient to just sort by Mfr, since Intellijel was literally the only company making the larger 1U width. Now it's rapidly turning into a big mess.

Hi Lugia

Thank you as always.

Actually the marbles and the clouds were the very first modules I noticed when I started my interest in modular system about a year ago. I have got the clouds clone uBurst by Michigan Synthworks already.

I must say I am little disappointed by the uBurst. This might be because of the way I use the setup (mainly sequencing melodies) and also because of it's tiny knobs in comparison to the original (especially pitch...). I am only using it in very few of my patches.

But I just saw the marbles review of DivKid again and remembered why this was so interesting. One question about the marbles: I understand it uses sample and hold to produce it's randomized CV-Out. But as far as I see it is not possible to use a external signal into marbles sample and hold?

Also the combination with Inetllijels noise tools looks interesting for noise sources (marble doesn't have any?) and additional slew.

EDITED Saturday August 17, 14:30

Marbles is all about sample-and-hold, actually, and what you can do to tamper with the degrees of randomness to various extents. It would be my pick, and would pair nicely with the Noise Tools Intellijel tile.

Hi!

Here is a my current setup:

I use this setup in an Intellijel 7U 104 HP Case. I mainly use an Arturia Beatstep Pro for sequencing, also I am not really into generative approaches currently (in future maybe yes?...). Basically I use it as an monophonic synth (Furthrrrr + ADSR + filter) with extra voices (Twin Waves + LXD). As the title says I am looking for a random source offering CV for modulation and also triggers/gates and sample and hold. I would like the random source to be accessed directly (no/minimum menu diving) and "played" live in jams.

Currently I am looking into:

• MakeNoise WoggleBug

• SSF Ultra-Random Analog

• Mutable Marbles (this one has no SampleAndHold?).

Which one would you suggest? Are there other modules maybe even better in this setup? Synergies? Ideas?

No problem. The journey is the destination.

Ok brilliant! Thanks for your help

For a decent quantizer, I would go with a Disting mk4 ... :)

It is a bit of a joke, because Disting is basically the Swiss Army knife of modules. It does everything, including quantizing (as far as I remember, it has three different versions of quantizers), but it only does one thing at the time, and the interface is not the most accessible, to put it mildly.

It is great though, because it let's you play around with a quantizer, or an LFO, or a slew, or s&h, or logic, or a thousand other things, which help you understand how all of this works. If you find that you always use it as a quantizer, that's a good sign that you need a dedicated module for this, and then you will have a better sense of what features are important.

Just my two cents.

Edit: I just checked. The recent firmware has five different quantizer modes ... :)

EDITED Friday August 16, 15:08

Overall it looks great. I don't know "Count," but it seems to have quite some overlap with PNW, so you may want to start with one or the other.

Right now, it will be hard to get a "melody" out of it, so on top of what you get from Count, PNW and Maths, you may want some more control over triggers and V/oct for Squid and Plaits. Depending on what you like, you could add a controller or sequencer (tons of options), a USB to CV module (say, FH2) for interfacing with a keyboard or computer, or some "generative" modules (random, s&h, quantizer, burst generator, logic, etc.)

-- mosorensen

Thanks mate , I’ll take count out . As I said I’m not really sure what I actually need .

Can you recommend any decent quantiser ?

Overall it looks great. I don't know "Count," but it seems to have quite some overlap with PNW, so you may want to start with one or the other.

Right now, it will be hard to get a "melody" out of it, so on top of what you get from Count, PNW and Maths, you may want some more control over triggers and V/oct for Squid and Plaits. Depending on what you like, you could add a controller or sequencer (tons of options), a USB to CV module (say, FH2) for interfacing with a keyboard or computer, or some "generative" modules (random, s&h, quantizer, burst generator, logic, etc.)

EDITED Friday August 16, 13:37

I looked at https://vcvrack.com/ and found that it offers nothing even worth mentioning (it doesn't even compare with what you guys do)

…Maybe have it so that only subscription users could request/access the new modules? that would probably more than cover the costs of modelling and buying one of each module (provided that users request it enough)

Schenk Work Pequeño Interruptor works just fine with the Xaoc Devices Batumi, I can confirm. The module does not come with instructions, but none are needed; for each of the existing jumpers on the back of the Batumi, you just replace the jumper with one end of one of the cables provided with the Pequeño Interruptor module, and connect the other side of the cable to the back of one of the switches on the Pequeño Interruptor.

Each cable is actually a pair of cables, one red and one black. However, on the basis of my tests, the outcome is the same regardless of which orientation — that is, which color is on the left and which is on the right — you choose to connect the cable ends to the pins that belong to each switch. For the switch connected to the top jumper, up is sync, down is reset. For the two switches connected to the bottom two jumpers, both up select triangle, both down selects trapezoid, top only down selects falling ramp, bottom only down selects rising ramp.

At the time of this writing, the schenk.work website is down, but the schenkwork.storenvy.com online shop portal is active. I placed the order and Schenk contacted me within 24 hours, and shipped the module a couple of days later.

Pequeño Interruptor is an effective and efficient solution if you want to take full advantage of all of Batumi's features without unscrewing the module from the rack every time to change settings, but also do not have (or the desire to use up) the full 3HP of room in your rack.

EDITED Friday August 16, 08:33

Please let me know if I’m missing anything, still quite new to this .

I’m mainly using this rack for techno sounds but not drums .

This is all I can afford currently but will add other modules as I go along .

Any help greatly appreciated

It is excellent. It covers all the basic waveforms (sine, square, saw, etc.). It has an internal VCA and envelope generator (and low-pass gate emulator) that make it very immediate to patch. It has more advanced modes, such as a 2-operator FM, wavetable oscillator, harmonic oscillator, and various percussion and noise sounds. It is great for experimenting with all these different oscillators and modulations. No brainer. Go for it.

edited: typo
-- mosorensen

Thanks for the reply . Ok I’m buying it :)

Bought a module from PinPinKula. Not the fastest to reply or send but trustworthy.

It is excellent. It covers all the basic waveforms (sine, square, saw, etc.). It has an internal VCA and envelope generator (and low-pass gate emulator) that make it very immediate to patch. It has more advanced modes, such as a 2-operator FM, wavetable oscillator, harmonic oscillator, and various percussion and noise sounds. It is great for experimenting with all these different oscillators and modulations. No brainer. Go for it.

edited: typo

EDITED Thursday August 15, 21:58

Someone else has been scammed by the user @StephenLarkin? Paid via PayPal FF (yes like a donkey).

Hello..

I'm new here too and I like modulars. I hate wage slavery so I try to do as little of that as possible, in other words, I hack shit and build my own.

Is this a good oscillator to start off a new rack ? Someone’s offering me one cheap , cheers

Dear all,
I would like to do a request to the creators of this amazing site.
What about a new option after modulars and pedal, the 19" racks, so we can plan and share our studios and how we integrate outboards in our productions and workflow.
I'm sure there could be a lot of people interested in it, from who use vintage gear to who use more updated versions of outboard as well as mixers, converters and so on.
It could be an interesting feature for this site? or I'm the only one interested?

Let me know what you think and maybe the great people behind modulargrid will take this in considerations.

Cheers!

Let the bass be with you!

For Dub, Ambient, Experimental & Crazy Space Sounds.

Unfortunately, I had a bad experience buying from LudwigWals. The module he sent me was broken due to the use.
He was saying that he barely used it and it was in amazing conditions.

Cheers guys :) Very helpful.

Yes, chaining clock dividers can lead to some very long clock divisions. There really isn't a limit either, other than how long you want to wait. The technique is super useful for generating evolving sequences, you can take clock pulses off of different dividers and use those to trigger tempo_synced LFOs.