Thread: Patch #1

Thanx a lot.
I'm an absolute beginner and still have much to learn. That's why I'm grateful for every tip.

Thread: Patch #1

Nice...I see an interesting and easily/cheaply done addition, tho...let's say you added a simple panner, drove it with the A-140's inverse-out, then fed the A-106-1 to that and used the outputs from the panner to feed the dual VCA, also adding a mult to feed the positive envelope to both VCAs. Now you'd have panning in the stereo field synced to the SQ-1's timing. Twisted, yes? The A-170 could also 'smear' the envelopes to the L and R VCAs which gives you some control over the 'hang time' of the audio signal in the center or edges while the inverted envelope tosses things back and forth.

Lots of possibilities...but then, that's why we also call it 'EuroCrack'.

The thing about Intellijel's 1U is that it's not exactly the same dimension as everyone else's. They determined their tile measurement purely in the Eurorack domain, but everyone else went with the rack definition of what 1U was and put the rail spacing as something that fits in that span. As a result, everything can theoretically fit in a 'normal' 1U tile spacing, but you'd have to possibly 'nibble' the Intellijel mounting holes, whereas if you use the Intellijel spacing (smaller) you simply can't mount the 'normal' tiles in that space. Ultimately, the best thing to do is to keep them separate as differing standards until/unless someone comes out with an Intellijel adapter for the 'normal' tile spacing, if that's even possible.

As far as pingable LFO/envelope type things in tile format, PulpLogic's Cyclic Skew sort of fits that bill. You can't determine envelope lengths by pings (like the 4ms PEG), but you can either set the Cyclic Skew to trigger as a one-shot function generator or you can flip a switch and the attack/release becomes your waveshaping and timing when using the tile as an LFO. Potentially, adding some of Synisi's CVable clock modulation tiles with a few of these would allow some pretty complex function generation if you tandemmed the whole mess with a DC-coupled mixer like the Mix-B. Brings up a point, too: don't just look at basic modules as a 'it does this and nothing else' proposition; quite often I look at basic modules such as tiles as also being able to configure a 'meta-module' in a given space to either do something that might take up more space (or $$$) or just simply doesn't exist in that form. Clocking modules are always this sort of proposition for me...they're usually fairly basic in what each one does, but if I treat several of them as a more complex subsystem in tandem with (in this case) something else like logic and/or comparators, then I know I can head for some very weird rhythmic possibilties by treating the entire grouping as a 'thing' and not separate modules.

Thread: First Go

Maybe...but let's say you used one of the VCAs to gate the VCO going into the Rings to...well, 'ring' it, then used another to control the amplitude envelope coming back out of the Rings and going on downstream. This still leaves one VCA free for CV modulation control or, alternately, to control amplitudes coming out of the ONE, and with what's there at present, that's just about right. A better idea would be something to 'stereoize' the signal, which is mono up to the Clouds...something that gives you a mono in, but stereo outs. Think about something like a chorus or stereo phaser that can either generate a stereo image in the time or timbral domain, or a reverb that can do a bit of both.

Now, if you could get the raccoon to chase the cat around... + =

Anyway, yeah...using an outboard mixer is an option IF said mixer can deal with the higher levels coming directly off the synth. I know my (1st version) Mackie 1202 can do that on channels 1-4 with the adjustable trims, but I'd be hesitant to use the two stereo strips at anything other than line-level because the gain structure might get sort of janky and hard to control. However, I've heard from many users that Allen & Heath's ZED series mixers are more than capable of handling synth-level signals...and then some. Their theoretical top-level very much exceeds what would come off of a 'raw' synth module, and then you also get EQ, FX sends and potentially channel inserts provided the levels get stepped down before the insert send. And yeah, using the ER-301 for just noise-type sounds is sort of like using a proverbial sledgehammer to swat a proverbial mosquito; you might be able to build up something space-saving with some 2hp modules + one or two dedicated drum modules like what's in place already.

Thanks for your response! I was picturing that I would build my own clock manipulation modules and hold them in the lower part of the case. But that is a good point about LFOs, and effects processing. I'm a bit worried about lack of delay/reverb on my independent voices, as well.

What is different about the Intellijel tile units? Are they still 1U?
Are there 1U pingable LFOs you can recommend?

I'm building my case by hand, and can accommodate whatever layout.

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Thanks for the feedback. A lot of this is hypothetical at the moment, since I'm slowly piecing it together (currently just have Rings, Clouds, and the I/O). I only added that second 3xVCA because I frequently read about the importance of VCAs, but perhaps a filter would be a better choice.

Awesome easy purchase from @louiscv. His PMs made me laugh. Super speedy delivery of a mint Qu-Bit Chord at a great price. Props \0/

Nooo - I had a heart symbol put there, did it break the submit? greater than symbol + 3. :(

Ok - I have to meditate on top of this, I'll write the stuff again when I have a bit more time. But thank you again for the feedback!
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Indeed that heart breaks the code :(
Sorry, I look into it. In the mean time try one of the Emoticons, accessible besides the Submit button, like this interesting raccoon.

[...] Again, more coding headaches, sure...but it's sorta what comes with having become 'authoritative', so it's definitely not a negative. Just what happens when you turn into the 'definitive reference'.
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Thanks @Lugia. You know that you can "browse" through different faceplates in the browser view, when you activate the Panel Selector button? It is a bit "halfbaked" but let's you choose different panel gfx which was uploaded for that specific module.

Here's a question/request which ought to be easily feasible:

can we make sure that the alignment between using a module on a rack and what appears in the info section of the module in regards to usage is 1:1 ? I mean, I'd like to be able to see exactly on how many racks a module is being used on, no exceptions.

I guess you mean the section "Related Rack" ?

Right now I have a module hidden, which I uploaded and had to remove, which is in no racks (supposedly) but when I try to delete it, it doesn't allow me as "it's being used in some racks". There's probably someone who still has it on a rack but I can't know who or how many there are, since the information is non-existent.

Same goes for when I upload a module the first time, I put it on my rack and there's no info about it being used anywhere. It's a bit weird. Is it possible that it's a bug?

ModularGrid uses a system where a html page is constructed from several "partials". Single partials can be cached for performance reason. That is the case with the Related Rack partial. It is cached on the server for 2 hours, because I did not thought that it is timing critical info and if in doubt I always prefer speed over precision.
I now have updated the code that Unicorn users get real time data for Related Racks. Maybe that solves your issue?

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Ok lesson learnt:

  • Will get some more VCA:s - typically I haven't had any need for too many as my patches tend to be quite small and not covering the whole rack at the same time. But yes, it would be more easier to make more advanced patches and more complicated setup.
  • Vermona is here to stay, really like the modules. Actually the size is great - I don't like too cramped modules. Especially the LFO is lovely!
  • Noise based sources would be great for drum sounds, have to dig deeper with that. One option is to use ER-301 for that, but it might be a bit of a waste.
  • Forgot to mention that I have an old 16 channel line mixer only for eurorack mixing duties and sends to my fx pedals - so that takes a lot of mixing duties. I cannot easily route audio back to eurorack from that, so it's kinda end of signal chain anyway. I'll check some mixers to do the stuff on rack as well before the mixer.

So, for VCA's I have been checking Intellijel Quad VCA or Mutable Veils. Intellijel Linix could be for some mixing duties and I have been interested of Intellijel Planar actually for a long time. It's pretty expensive, though.

In fact, check this nonsense out... Ignore the blanks on the left; had to put those in due to MG's bottom limit on hp per row. Should be 4U x 24hp.

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That's looking way might consider a little reshuffling to stick in something for weird processing, like a Mutable Warps. Useful, small, gives you lots of 'how the hell did you do that?' sonic possibilities.

As for how to get manual control signals into it, one cheap solution would be an Arturia Keystep (mine is hooked into my Digisound 80 as I type this)...$120 for mono CV/gate out and poly MIDI, plus an internal step sequencer. But another idea might start with this: .

Lots of possibilities in tiles for controllers...Synthrotek and PulpLogic have ribbons, Synisi does a micro keyboard, and there'd still be room for CV offset sends, LFOs and other toys. Put together with a Keystep and some other outboard sequencer (or other mischief) as sort of an 'expression mega-controller', and that could get really interesting really quick!

I'll give the plans to pare things down a double thumbs-up! I've been working on a...well, something secret...that involves putting all modules of a single maker in a rack, and I'm always running into situations where I see the same module posted with slight changes yet it's still the same thing. Sometimes there's a valid difference in appearance (different panel color...I know some builders get picky about their system's aesthetic, and I've no quarrel with that as looking snazzy is a thing, especially when performing), but there's also plenty of times where the same, exact module gets reposted, and that's definitely going to waste database space plus muddle up some of the stats on module usage, etc.

But as for wholesale strikes me as a little troublesome, as the potential for breaking racks would be significant. Merging of some sort would be better, but in the process would it be possible for the duplicates (which people may have used in builds) to be hidden and kept as 'placeholders' in the event they've been used, while still programming these database objects to point back at the actual, retained database entry? Yeah, that's a lot more programming and seems rather involved, but to my reckoning it could be done in such a way as to seem seamless for the vast majority of users. As far as simple appearance differences are concerned, though, I would very much advocate for some sort of statistical merge, since there shouldn't be any difference in the 'guts' behind a panel, ergo users with different color panels on the same module should have their use counted as being just that module for the purpose of usage stats. F'rinstance, there's several appearance-different versions of MakeNoise's MATHS, including one panel by Greyscale...I think that, irrespective of which panel is used by builders, it should all still count as usage of a single instance of MATHS for the purpose of the stats.

Again, more coding headaches, sure...but it's sorta what comes with having become 'authoritative', so it's definitely not a negative. Just what happens when you turn into the 'definitive reference'.

Actually, the results look more like you know what you're doing.

The Mother32 can do a lot of the basic nuts-n-bolts work, and all of the additions to it seem relatively well-chosen. For what you intend, I'm not seeing anything really problematic here. However, you might want to think twice about removing your 1U row. Tiles are a great, cost-effective and space-saving way to increase basic functionalities, and I'm pleased that some case builders are making room for them now; whenever I can put something of the sort into any of my build sketches, I definitely do when the case design allows for it. For example, one thing I note that's a bit absent here is some effect processing (assuming you don't use the Disting for it). With tiles, though, you can add a spring reverb easily enough via PulpLogic's tile for the interface + an internal tank. Extra LFOs, clock tinkering, basic logic, etc...all cheap and easy with tiles. Just keep in mind that Intellijel's tile format ISN'T the same as everyone else's and mixing theirs in with PulpLogic, Synisi, et al is something of a no-no.

What's happening here?! Writed a long post and it submitted only the fist line.

Nooo - I had a heart symbol put there, did it break the submit? greater than symbol + 3. :(

Ok - I have to meditate on top of this, I'll write the stuff again when I have a bit more time. But thank you again for the feedback!

Wow... that's beyond comprehensive! Thanks for your time, really appreciated.

Why is this tagged for video?

What are your settings in the x fun and y fun pages?

Braids has a built in VCA so you wouldn't necessarily need something like that right away. You should probably have something to control pitch, whether that's a sequencer, keyboard with cv, function generator, whatever. I'm looking into using a LPF with my braids, because some tones can be very bright and an LPF can always be used to great effect. Modulation and trigger sources are a good idea, as well. Some wavetables require a trig input, I believe, though they can be set to auto-trigger on pitch change.

I'm working on a system to complement my Digitakt. I want to make dance music and explore ambient as much as I can. The Digitakt will be my primary sequencer, but I'd like to be able to do some generative melodies in euro as well. Sounds created in the modular system will be sampled and incorporated into my dance music set.

I've built a two-row 84hp case, and have a few of these modules already. I plan on the lower half of the case housing the Digitakt, a Digitech Polara Reverb Pedal, as well as some custom eletronics I'm working on. I plan on the upper half holding the modular gear. The custom electronics include a second MIDI-euro interface with clock output, and a clock divider. I'm also planning on adding some passive attenuators and arcade buttons.

Looking for any feedback on the rack! I'm pretty new to this and I'm worried that I'm missing something on the utility side of things. I'm really shooting in the dark here but I'm excited to get something put together.

Edit: The rack below doesn't reflect the rack I built. I removed the middle row, which I was using as a placeholder for the electronics I'm planning on building.

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Here's a question/request which ought to be easily feasible:

can we make sure that the alignment between using a module on a rack and what appears in the info section of the module in regards to usage is 1:1 ? I mean, I'd like to be able to see exactly on how many racks a module is being used on, no exceptions.

Right now I have a module hidden, which I uploaded and had to remove, which is in no racks (supposedly) but when I try to delete it, it doesn't allow me as "it's being used in some racks". There's probably someone who still has it on a rack but I can't know who or how many there are, since the information is non-existent.

Same goes for when I upload a module the first time, I put it on my rack and there's no info about it being used anywhere. It's a bit weird. Is it possible that it's a bug?

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hey guys, after some consideration, i've come to this, am i missing something here? some suggestions?
how best to add manual cv's / triggers? any recommendation?

Thread: technostart

ha, i put the wrong sputnik in there (although i though the optomix just needs to be pinged?) - corrected now..
for mixing i'd thought to abuse veils (and some mixer channels).

looking better now? me a headache in all the RIGHT ways!

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Aber...Umschläge? Sie haben keine davon fuer Ihre LPG-Module. Sie können auch mit einem weniger komplexen MIDI-Interface arbeiten, da Sie nicht 4 Kanäle von CV / Gate benötigen, um nur ein DPO zu steuern. AD-Umschläge funktionieren am besten für die LPGs, und wenn Sie irgendeine Art von Funktionsgenerierung wünschen, können Sie sich Doepfers A-143-1 ansehen. Es würde einiges an Mischen erfordern, um es da rein zu bekommen, aber du hast immer noch Platz, denke ich.

(Entschuldigung für die ungeschickte deutsche Übersetzung ... es ist schon eine Weile her, seit ich da drüben war und ich habe einiges vergessen. Irgendwie gezwungen, Google zu benutzen, um die Dinge relativ richtig zu machen.)

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Impressive...about the only thing I would want to substitute out would be to toss one of those triple VCA/mixers in favor of some sort of delay line in that 6hp space. Ambient really sort of needs some sort of sound-field depth manipulation in order to get that immersive quality, and delays seem to be better in restrictive spaces than the reverbs that one might fit in the same space. Plus, with the sequencer, you'd then have the ability to do very Berlin-school-ish 'delay canon' repetitions if the delay can sync to the sequencer clock. While it's spendy, still have a look at Audio Damage's ADM16 Dub Jr....does all of this, plus gives you the fun of an insert in its feedback path. But another way to do this and have even more flexibility would be to go with an effect send/return module such as Malekko's SND/RTN, which would allow you to insert a number of chained outboard devices AND give you another 2 hp to drop a VCF in from...who else?...2hp. You kinda might want a VCF in this, come to think of it.

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This input is great!, I can't thank you both enough!

Thanks again!

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Thread: First Go

Starting to build my first modular rig. Aiming to produce ambient and minimal sounds. Any feedback would be helpful, thanks!

ModularGrid Rack Still working out ideas for the eventual system in here. This time, I tossed out the ADDAC cabs (transatlantic shipping - ugh) and went with a 2Egress/Eurorack Modular Cases 18U double 104hp setup. I feel better about designing the power distro setup myself, anyway; I like using HEAVY gauges on those lines, like 14ga stranded, which is heftier and less prone to 'surprises' over time.

Typical up-left/down-right design, like I prefer. Top two rows are voicing, modulation and VCAs on row three, then left side is modulation on 4 and filters on right. Left 5 is random/timing/CV manipulation and right is FX, then 6 left is sequential crap, 6 right is mixing with the Intellijels used for CVed channel submixers. Plan for controllers is the Keystep I've got now, plus a KOMA Komplex (which fits nicely with that new toy from Instruo at the bottom-center). Really, really open-ended usage architecture...this could wind up in most anything.

Of course, as noted before, I'm apt to come up with some other idea as new stuff appears, so mmmmmmaybe this one, or mmmmmmaybe not...?

Oh, hell yes! If this is going in that Dreadbox cab, really all that's left some way to get back down to line-level out of the Dreadbox's Mixer A, and there should be a 2hp solution for that. Or just use the System-1's outs. This is quite open-ended.

Normal synth, row 2, abnormal synth, row 1, and all the right bits. Nice...

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Technically, Just Type is the main sound source, a Mangrove to beef up low end. Two Sisters, one in crossover mode for tone shaping, another in format mode for intense effects, sometimes percussive.

I think the charm lies in the method of polyphony stacking to distortion (a thing to avoid in "normal" sense) for timber morphing. And occasionally jumping modulations to provide a feel of paragraphs.

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I kinda like this idea...keeps the A-106-1 and the MATHS, but tosses in four VCOs, a couple of VCSs, plenty utilities, three VCAs in the same form factor. If it's supposed to be a starter rig, having the ability to do modulation at both audio and low frequencies is pretty key to learning how to concoct a timbral palette. It also allows mixing for the VCO outs (left mixer, AC-coupled) and mixing/summing CVs (right mixer, DC-coupled). Disting for weird processing things, stereo mixer, stereo outs. In a way, it's got a good bit of what you'd find on a classic 'teaching synth' like an ARP 2600 but with some Euro twists and the ultra-power modulation voodoo of the MATHS to boot.

Great! Looks good to start with and find out about the basics.
Once you've done that you will know much better what suits you and you can still check out more special stuff then.
Have fun!

Veils is more or less the same thing as the Intellijel minus the boost circuit and plus $10 more. Either would work for the same functions, though.

Hmmm...MakeNoise's Contour only really appears to give you CV over the attack and decay and not the sustain and release. Instead, I'd prefer having full CV control. Look at Tiptop's offering, though...all parameters under CV, plus onboard attenuverter and CV offset, only $25 more, same space.

Always get as much as possible under CV control when you can; even if it seems like you'd think 'when would I use that?'...sure enough, you'll find yourself in a situation where you'd like to have that functionality.

Power...see what you can make do with at present. But at the same time, if your total current load approaches 3/4ths of your power supply's presumed capacity, then take steps to increase your power capabilities. I don't advocate pushing a power supply right up to its limit as I've seen amateur radio switching supplies get flaky as the current draw would approach maximum, and those tend to be lots higher amperage on both capacity and draw (plus lots more variable in current fluctuation). It's best to assume that when your synth is up and running that the draw isn't going to be 100% level all the time, just like modulation peaks on some transmitters for ham radio can alter the draw of those components. Always overspec on power...always; there's nothing wrong with having too much amperage capability, but there sure as hell IS when you're suddenly discovering there's not enough! Not fun!

OK...let's beat on the other cab set now...

First up, more VCAs. Waaaaay more, especially linear since you've got some good modulation sources in there and it's nice to use those on VCAs to change not only audio level but to modulate CVs as well. The linears will mainly deal with the latter; as for the former, my take there would be to put something that both offers exponential VCAs and mixing near or at the output. Have a look at Qu-bit's Mixology. In the case of that module, you get a four-in, stereo-out performance mixer with CV control per strip on level, panning, and AUX send. That last bit would allow you to use the Erbeverb or Echophon in an effects loop on your stereo output and not just inline in a single signal path. Plus, adding something that can do stereo-in and out would let you put that (or the Clouds, which would let you manipulate the entire system's output at once) across your output, provided you had an output module to deal with your level/impedance changes for line-level to your mixer/line-in/whatever. And if you need more mixing, something to submix sources down per strip could be done, either a manual mixer or one with VCAs per input so that you can do some elaborate level controls but summing those to a single output level/pan position.

I can't be happier to see the new performance mixers that have come along over the past couple of years, also. They really are something I would've killed for way back when, instead of having to split signals off through some sort of kludge into separate mixing desk channels.

Next, lose the Vermona stuff. I think that what they're doing with those modules is better accomplished by other makers. The MIDI interface would better be done by Mutable's Yarns, which also gives you four CV and trig/gate outs, but also includes a 64-step sequencer in of itself plus a bunch more tricks. Only a bit more expensive, but it's smaller, more capable, and since you've already specced out a bunch of Mutable stuff, not a bad fit. As for the LFO, I think you could do a lot better with Doepfer's A-143-4...also quad, has much the same functionality as the Vermona, but it's smaller, cheaper, and it has a jumper setting on it that can change it from an LFO/VCO to an LFO/really slow LFO. That's quite fun stuff when paired with the MATHS and the PEG, gets you into some complex stuff especially if you add those linear VCAs I mentioned. Lots of very gradual changes + your sequencing setup means you can create longer, more nuanced work that heads more in a generative direction, or at the very least adds plenty of interesting shifting potentials over something more determinate.

Add a Brains along with the Pressure Points. Even if a Squarp, etc is doing the 'heavy lifting' on sequencing, having little subsequenced patterns within those primary sequence patterns get quite interesting. Have a look at 'I Dream of Wires' where Morton Subotnick's talking about how he dealt with the sequencer patterns on the second part of "Silver Apples of the Moon" by setting inequal lengths against each other (might just be in the Hardcore Edition). That piece kills; it's not simply avant-garde electronics, either, as I've heard a couple of DJs back in the day spinning it against some minimal stuff (think Maurizio, etc) and it made people CRAZY with all of the cross-rhythms and shifting pattern stuff on top of a hard beat! And while on this point, look into more clock modulation possibilities, like I mentioned with the percussion cab. The ability to constantly tinker with temporal values is great here, too, even if the Squarp is set to maintain a set tempo; this would open up even more polyrhythmic potential.

Last, the Braids problem. Unless you can find a used one, you'll either have to source an open-source build, or consider something else. If the latter, go with some sort of source that also is multi-mode capable, like MakeNoise's Telharmonium or some such so that you still get the variation of sound potential plus some very crazed sounds as a certainty.

Again, not a bad start...there's a lot of potential there already, it just needs the right 'helpers' to get it to really kick ass.

You're a gent! thank you. I've updated my rack and am feeling excited!!!


Nice, will definitely check that out! What about veils by mutable instruments? Been looking at that today. And the make noise adsr. Or would you have any other options ? To be honest I’m not bothered about hp as I have the current space and a second 84 hp rack not in use :) also quick question. Would it be wiser to get a ribbon cable adapter or get a second power module? As I am looking to expand to at least 3 rows. Thanks for messaging. It’s nice to get some helpful information rom someone who is obviously super passionate about modular!

If you're just talking linear VCAs, it's one of the better space-saving choices. However, I would be more inclined to look at something which offers more flexibility even if this means taking up more space. Take the Intellijel Quad VCA, for that case, you get four VCAs which can also sum down to allow the module to function as a mixer, adjustable behavior between linear and exponential (which tends to be better for audio signals, because of how we perceive loudness), a signal boost per VCA, and so on. Granted, the Intellijel is 8 hp instead of two and costs $100 more, but I feel that you get more functionalty that justifies the price difference and extra width use. Since your current layout is lacking in a multisource mixer and VCAs, better to kill two birds with one stone here...and then some, really.

Oh, and if you have the possibility: go to a local synth store, check out some modules, talk to people, find out what you want and need!

Cool! I would still recommend getting rid of the Doepfer A-138p performance mixer. There are more important modules to start with and if you plan a rather small rack at first (which is absolutely the right way to go!) it is oversized. Plus, your maths and the intellijel vca can mix signals.
So I'd very much advise to get a proper VCO in its place. That is something you really need.

Also a nice filter is a good choice. You had one in there before, right? Doepfer has some good ones, but there is really a ton out there. Same infinity of choices as with VCOs...

And you might check out the disting: It is a slim module with lots of functions; might be helpful if you don't have much rackspace.

Also, try to figure out which modules suit the music you want to make. If you want to play melodies you might consider getting a sequencer. If you want to do droney/ambient stuff that might not be soo important (although still good!).

Most probably you won't need an audio out. If for example you want to record stuff on your computer you can probably go directly from a vca (or whatever) into the interface. Normally interfaces can handle the hot (loud) output of a modular. (But it's best to check that out before hand.)

Generally speaking it is good to start with a few modules and get to know them really well before expanding your system.
It is also the best way to not get frustrated by an overkill of possibilities at the start.

Good luck and... have fun!

Hey Phineas!

Thanks for your input! and friendly welcome. I'll mess around with my rack and modules and see if I can make improvements. I've made some suggested improvements, do I require an audio out?

Cheers again!

Hi Jaysus,

and welcome! You got most of the basics covered - you should get a VCO as the voice of your system, though. The range of choices here is huge (starting with the question of analog/digital...). Intellijel's dixie might be somethingm, or the Tiptop Z3000, or the WMD spectrum, Doepfer has a selection of VCOs as well ...
You might throw out the Performance mixer to clear rackspace for that.
Also, you should get a dedicated VCA. I can really recommend Intellijel's uVCA. It's not too expensive and does not take up too much space.
Finally, I am not sure if you need the multiple really.
Hope that helps you on a bit.


I'm about to plunge in the unknown depths of modular synthesis and trying to convert my sonic interests and available funds into a my first modular sound lab:)
If have experience with programming regular keyboard/rack synths and own quite a few of them, and also have some experience with building simple DIY projects like a simple 8 step sequencer, an APC and and other (simple) sound generators with standard components and IC's. Maybe I would like to (re)build some simple modules myself to be added to my future modular setup.

What I'm looking for is a setup geared not exclusively to analog/subtractive means of making interesting sounds. I'm particularly interested in granular/sample mangling and physical modelling synthesis. I already own an Elektron Analog Four which I want to use as the main sequencer for my modular setup.
My available budget is max. 3000 euro but I wouldn't mind spending a bit less to start off with and have some money to spend on further acquisitions based on my first months of experience.

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All this I'm planning to place in a Dreadbox case 168 ( to use its mixer, lfo and attenuator functions. I can also use its midi to cv function to have extra sequencing options by using midi data coming from my Electron Octratrack.
The Roland System 1M seems like a good and affordable toolbox with it's envelopes, LFO's, basic effects and oscillators.
I could imagine that after some time of experimenting and experience I will remove the System 1M again and free up the space for more elaborate modules (but also more expensive ones I don't want to spend my budget on yet).

My current choices are mainly based on watching and reading tutorials but probably I overlooked some shortcomings or better options so that's why I would appreciate any good tips or ideas! Thanks!

would you say the 2hp VCAs a good option?

thanks so much mate ill take your information on board!