id buy one if it wasnt gated by this limited edition bullshit.
-- RoastC

exactly

So...8 voices, with a handful of LFOs as your only modulation?

I'd say there's very little to play with.

I'm having a problem with another pedal submission.

https://modulargrid.com/p/fulltone-supa-wah

excellent communication and modules, would trade again with @shurelpek for sure!

Great experience with @loopspool.
Module areived in great condition, and seller was extremely responsive and helpful in messages. Would happily trade again.

I have recorded a walkthrough if anyone is interested.

Hi Horpsnark,

I'm not familiar with all of these modules, but it seems to me there are no envelopes or (dedicated) LFO or VCAs or mixers in this system. In this case the Pico VCO will just sound like a continuous drone. There will also be no automated/continuous modulation in your filters or any other modules. Everything will be quite static.

How will you sequence notes or triggers? Do you have some external sequencer? I guess Marbles will sequence, but not in a really controlled way.

How will you output all of these instruments to make sound? Do you have an external mixer?

You have three instances of Drum2 in your system. Unless you really really like the Drum2, it's probably more fun and more creatively challenging to have different modules.

I like the Black Dual VCF personally, but it's quite huge. In such a small system as yours, I would probably pick another filter so you can use that space for other modules.

If I was making this, my first step from this point would be to have some external sequencer. I like the Beatstep Pro, it has two lanes of melody, velocity (can be used for other modulation) and gates. There's also 8 individual drum gates. You may need to get some extra cables to deal with the high voltage coming from the Beatstep gates. Then I would add something like NANO Quart or Intellijel Quadra or Mutable Instruments Stages (clone) to have some envelopes to work with. Envelopes can also be LFOs when put to loop.

Good luck!

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Superbooth Berlin is coming up. Who's going?
-- Tunegirl

Yay! We as modulove collective are coming from Hamburg👌 We will bring our new utility module and few specials to look at.

Stop by our booth in the circus tent #Z018 ❤️

Cheers
Linus

I am there! If someone is wearing a modulargrid shirt, it's me. Always open for a beer and chat.

Superbooth Berlin is coming up. Who's going?

This is my actual first rack that I'm still waiting for modules in the mail for. any observations or critiques would be welcome.

For the not-really-that-into-Doepfer players out there.
Clean and mean.

Smart transaction with @exotic-waste
Recommended !

Hello dear MG community!

I got the chance to put the b:ond system in situation, and WOW !! It instantly became my favorite double oscillator. it's so fully featured (2 different sounding ring, 6 VCA on 2 mixers, noise, TZPM/FM, sync and a plethora of waveforms. This video showcases a few pactches and I made a full track (EBM style) out of the b:ond system. I hope you'll like it.

Hello all !

I am looking for the River Nucleus.

and other modules from the River brand..

no matter the country, with shipping.

Feel free to contact me, I'll buy it from you.

Julien.

Lovely tune, thanks for sharing !

For those like me who were curious as to what exactly Augur is and where to get it:

https://snakeshaky.gumroad.com/l/augur

Random thought for @modularGrid

Why not create a forum section for selling, users could post their links to selling sites like Reverb, Etsy and Ebay etc. Which could include all Eurorack Cases and accessories.

It would keep payments and shipping in the hands of a company with rules rather than the current system, which I have never used, but have read enough complaints from other users to put me off from using it. Forum User feedback would suggest that people want a better way to mitigate the perceived risks.

Just an idea, not a complaint.

It'd be cool to be able to list cases and other eurorack related gear.
IMO just the ability to list a case/euro gear and then having the seller have responsibility for showing images/function could work well

I'm having the same problem with pedal submissions. But this is the worst one. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.

https://modulargrid.com/p/rocktron-silver-dragon

Seems someone fixed the issue for this entry. RESOLVED.

EDITED Yesterday, 07:32

Hi,
I understand. Is there any chance you'd be willing to share the solution for the hashes with me privately? I'd just like to be able to add all my modules and then manually (or probably with a script) edit the row/column so that my case can stay updated. I can promise I won't leak/share this information, but as it stands the most useful part of MG for me is unusable, even with a paid membership. I am trying to get a copy of my rack (and keep it updated) so that I can ask for help/advice on it. Everyone wants to see racks on MG, and not being able to use them is a huge issue for me. I specifically paid for Unicorn thinking it would get around the issue. I'm happy to have paid, but I'm still stuck.

I am also a long-time software developer; my most notable work was CVStats, which was a site built with accessibility in mind to help people with disabilities get access to the COVID-19 stats that were not accessible or easily readable. This work was picked up by Vice and CNET among others. I mention this because I have a long history of accessibility advocacy and work. I don't know what your typical workflow looks like or if this is code written by a single person, but I'd be happy to sign any documents saying I won't leak the code or copy it. That said, I'd genuinely appreciate the chance to be able to make MG more accessible for free, without any cost to MG or anyone else. If you're willing, I'd be happy to make these changes through github pull requests, or whatever VC system you make and acceptance would be up to anyone else. I realize and understand that it's tough to make a site like this more accessible, and even more-so without prior knowledge or testing.
Thanks,

Yes, well almost.

Check out Augur:

My first patch with it.

Thanks guys.
I’m going to set some money aside and pick up the Alia—it’ll let me try out different firmware.
Since I’ve never had the Alter anyway, I won’t have any basis for comparison.

Hi folks

What filter would add here with the dixie in this 8hp, or wouldnt you add a filter and would you use the space for something else?

Thanks a lot for some help

Hi,
the json export file is not ment to be edited by users to be imported again, because that would circumvent some security features, e.g. users importing Javascript code, or modules with wrong ids that potentially could mess up the database or 1000 modules to manipulate the Popular Modules statistics.
If you change the JSON file, the import will fail.

Otherwise, if you're adding modules to a rack, how do you tell it to add to the next row? For example Ihave my top row done, but there's still space.

Users can move modules around with keyboard shortcuts like enter key and cursor keys but that is done via Javascript and I think there are no web accessibillity features for that currently.
There is also a function Optimize Rack Space in the edit menu that will try to fill out all spots but will shuffle all modules inside the rack around.

Hello,
I posted this a while back:
https://modulargrid.net/e/forum/posts/index/14173
I wanted to be able to create and easily edit my rack, and saw that with a paid membership you can import and export racks.
When I exported though so i could modify all my work, I noticed that there is a hash. Will the import fail if this doesn't match, and what is hashed? For example, would it be okay for me to just add all my modules, then manually edit row/column? It's time consuming, but this would solve the bulk of my problems and let me create the rack starting out.
Otherwise, if you're adding modules to a rack, how do you tell it to add to the next row? For example Ihave my top row done, but there's still space.
Thanks,

i wanna have this module

I haven't heard a comparison IRL, only over the internet, but they really do sound the same. Front panel is slightly upgraded on Alia with the new Envelope output (plus, I'm not a huge fan of the original cluttered panel artwork). Alia implements the same synthesis engine as Alter, just on a different chip. So it will react to your various inputs in pretty much the same way. It has the added bonus of being re-configurable to any other Alia module.

I haven't seen or heard any evidence that any part of the Alia is a downgrade from the Alter. Looks like every change is either lateral or unambiguously an upgrade.

Maybe someday BIAlter will have some kind of "collector's item/original version" cool, but it was already so widespread before Alia came out, I don't think it's rare enough to be that unique.

Here's a shorter link

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Pod40XPwr--4ms-pod40x-powered-eurorack-case

Were you asking a question? Maybe write a few words as you won't get many responses otherwise.?

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Pod40XPwr--4ms-pod40x-powered-eurorack-case?mrkgadid=&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=&mrkgbflag=&mrkgcat=&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=2317764920375&lid=92700080603447322&ds_s_kwgid=58700008756027654&ds_s_inventory_feed_id=97700000007215323&dsproductgroupid=2317764920375&product_id=Pod40XPwr&prodctry=US&prodlang=en&channel=online&storeid=&device=c&network=g&matchtype=&adpos=largenumber&locationid=9029763&creative=710019515918&targetid=pla-2317764920375&campaignid=21587258063&awsearchcpc=1&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21587258063&gbraid=0AAAAAD_RQYllt0ZVruAd4RtN9zjREoQTk&gclid=CjwKCAjwnZfPBhAGEiwAzg-VzJYpdB-fuYKly30WsJzsQGCKMBAWXxSdl0zevzI4WdFqY1VoNCj3YBoCZosQAvD_BwE

EDITED Apr 20th, 20:31

as far as I understand, the original BIA sounds a tiny little different, but not really recognizable.
I heard it shall sound 95 - 99 % like the original one, just differs because a other chip was used.
I guess the most people dont identify the difference in sound.

I still have the old one.

The new BIA is a copy of the old one with additional features and swappable firmware to load the other vco-modules on it.
New one is better because of the swappable firmware.

Can I build a bass/drum voice around it ?

Yes absolutely, but it is one on its own.
Many people build a rack just around it, it´s very common.

... also we have a new Lightbox on Module View that opens if you click on the module image.

Hello there !

Basimilus Iteritas Alter is discontinued.
Basimilus Iteritas Alia seems to replace it.

Any thought about the new guy ?
Does it sound great ? (comparable to the previous BIA)
Can I build a bass/drum voice around it ?

For the context, I've got no musical knowledge, so I prefer playing with generative sounds (with a Qu-Bit Bloom 2 as my main melodic sequencer).
(Any cheaper alternative module would be great ^^)

(Sorry for my english, french guy here, I spare you the accent)

See ya !

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Appreciate your input. I can imagine the marketplace being a headache to maintain when it comes to scammers, downvotes and whatnot. I believe we discussed this in a different topic a while ago also. I imagine it's important for a solution to not only be reliable but also ideally be low maintenance and not too difficult to implement. Would probably have to deal with some sort of legacy feedback system to preserve current user ratings however, which doesn't make it any easier.

Maybe there are better solutions today, like embedding some type of escrow service. Will look into this and open to ideas.

I know of a national (Dutch) marketplace platform that embeds an escrow service and unfortunately this seems to be even worse than using Paypal with purchase protection. You tend to run into the same issues but with higher fees and at a larger scale. What happens a lot is that buyers claim that they received a brick or some other worthless item instead of what they purchased. You can however often not dispute any claims as a seller because the escrow service practically always favors the buyer without any meaningful proof or any investigation. It's just easy money for the escrow service without providing any real value. The worst part is that the escrow service is entirely independent from the platform that hires them. They make their own decisions and disregard any proof provided by the marketplace staff that could prove a seller to be legitimate and honest.

There might be more reliable and better curated escrow services out there, but my assumption is that their fees might not make it worth using their services.

The voting system, the other headache: it is far from perfect but better than nothing. And also as a seller you can look at the votes. Which, I am aware, give you another illusion of security :(

I agree. It's a start and while it's not flawless, it's much better than not having any system in place.

What I think could be of value is to require both parties to identify whether they bought or sold an item from/to the other user, along with a textbox where they can write their experience. You could then further expand this by having a separate rating for purchases and sales for each user.

A way to verify a transaction would be ideal, but I think that this could take a significant amount of work and probably also be costly.

I'll explore some ideas today and post here if I feel like I have something worth considering.

When we implemented the marketplace, we didn’t think it through very much - it was more of an impulse idea: “Let’s just add a used module marketplace.” That has now led to a large portion of the work revolving around it: chasing scammers, dealing with downvote drama.

I don't know of a direct solution to this problem, but I do think that it's important for users to know that purchase protection does not go both ways.

While this is a valid point in reality the vast majority of people who get scammed are buyers.

The disclaimer is meant to make it clear that transactions here are private deals between strangers. Whether you use PayPal or any other payment service is up to you - the point is simply to remind people that it’s a good idea to use a service that offers some form of insurance.

What this results in is a double standard where a seller's positive feedback is disregarded by the buyer, yet a buyer with zero feedfback expects the seller to trust them to not file a claim for whatever reason they may have.

The voting system, the other headache: it is far from perfect but better than nothing. And also as a seller you can look at the votes. Which, I am aware, give you another illusion of security :(

Maybe there are better solutions today, like embedding some type of escrow service. Will look into this and open to ideas.

First of all, don't take this the wrong way. I get why it's there and the intentions are good. However, I want to give some insight on how it affects me as someone who not only regularly buys, but in particular, frequently sells modules here on MG.

Ever since the buyer protection disclaimer was put up, I have noticed a significant increase in buyers refusing to buy any of my modules unless I agree to them using Paypal's purchase protection. The fees are for the buyer, that's not the issue. The issue lies in the uncertainties for the seller that apply when agreeing to Paypal's purchase protection terms. The worst part is that Paypal's purchase protection was designed for brand new retail products, with return windows and factory warranties. Not for used products on marketplace websites.

The buyer gets at least 30 days, up to 180 days to file a claim against the seller for an item they bought. Yet as a seller, you get to deal with up to 180 days of uncertainty whenever you sell a module using purchase protection. None of this is reflected in the disclaimer.

In case of a claim filed by the buyer, the seller is required to:

• Prove that the module was exactly according to the description, fully functional and properly shipped at the time of sale.
• Prove that the internal components were intact prior to shipping it (impossible without disassembly).
• Defend themselves against any claims over cosmetic wear despite clearly disclosing this in the item description.

If the buyer is dishonest, they can:

• File a claim for any damage to the module that they caused themselves weeks or even months after the sale took place.
• Fake their own signature and claim to not have received their purchase.
• Regret their purchase and initiate a refund claim, regardless of them returning the module or not.

What this results in is a double standard where a seller's positive feedback is disregarded by the buyer, yet a buyer with zero feedfback expects the seller to trust them to not file a claim for whatever reason they may have. It creates an illusion of a safe transaction for both parties, which is far from reality.

I don't know of a direct solution to this problem, but I do think that it's important for users to know that purchase protection does not go both ways. Paypal very heavily favors the buyer in any transaction, which many users are unaware of. For the vast majority of claims made, the seller is out of luck and often even has to pay additional fees on top of losing their money, or they risk having their Paypal account terminated.

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EDITED Apr 19th, 15:04

in a 104hp case, having the mother (or any of the bigger units) and mavis side by side is really nice though...

EDITED Apr 18th, 14:04

Hi,

Just released a full interview with MNPL around the production of their EP How to Make It Fit.

We go into their workflow, improvisation, modular live setup, and how they transition from jam sessions to finished tracks.

EDITED Apr 18th, 12:59

Another jam with the Move

Why did Moog put Mavis' i/o on the left side, unlike all the other modules?
So I flipped the Mavis over to get everything on the right side.
This is kinda dumb, but not as bad as I thought.

So many modules, so few VCAs...

You certainly have many modulation sources.

Notes: This is a combo of stuff I already have in the case (Behringer Eurorack Go) and stuff I don't yet have, but plan to.

The bottom right module (Level Fixit) is a placeholder for a Pulp Logic 1U to 3U converter (w/ built-in passive attenuator) that holds the two 1U tiles underneath it (need to grab an actual output module eventually). I picked that one because it was the same HP as the adapter & passive. Will likely swap Behringer Clones for actual MI modules or better clones over time.

Likely need to adjust layout for better organization / optimization.

EDITED Apr 15th, 16:22

I used to think this was one of the best modules in the game.

Then I got neo trinity... and realized not everything in euro rack has to be a complete rip off...

Smart transaction with @Johangover
Solid package and module as new.
Recommended Seller !

Personally, I'd lean more towards removing a sound source than a modulation source, given you already have a good collection of synths to begin with.

Plaits is an all-time great VCO. One could argue for days, months, years about the greatest [type of module] out there, but Plaits is a name you'll see constantly in such arguments about VCOs. So I'd say keep that. Between the Surface and Ensemble Oscillator, I'd say the surface is "more unlike" Plaits, so keeping it would allow for the greatest variety. The Ensemble does do things that Plaits doesn't, but Plaits has ways of achieving pretty similar sounds (as fundamentally, they're both oscillators). Surface works on a different principle: electrical emulation of a physical resonant cavity, so it's going to achieve sounds in a pretty different space than a more "normal" VCO.

3x MIA is a great utility module. Mixer, Attenuverter, DC-Biaser. It'll find its way into many a patch in this rack.

I'm not familiar with the 3DVCA. It's certainly interesting, and sometimes modular synth can be all about embracing the journey and seeing what esoteric lands your modules lead you into. But I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how to actually use it. 4 Inputs/Outputs and 3 CVs...I get that it's somehow related to 3D space, but I'm just not sure how I'd operate it besides "put CVs in and get something different out". It's also pretty lacking in manual controls: only a shared "Level, Pan, Crossfade" for the entire module. If you've studied this module and think it can provide an interesting workflow for you, go for it. When I was recommending new VCAs, I was picturing something more like Mutable Instruments Blinds (a Ring Modulator) or a clone thereof (After Later Audio's Monocole is a 2-channel clone). Ring Modulators are basically VCAs that can go to negative gain. A "normal" VCA will just stick at 0V if the CV is negative, but a ring mod will invert the input signal.

EDITED Apr 14th, 20:19

Hey, thanks Bassman1805... I'm trying to digest everything you've said, as a lot of this is still new for me, but I ran your response through Grok and it recommended I swap out the Octasource for a Happy Nerding 3xMIA and (~~Make Noise modDemix (or similar)~~ Guess those are pretty hard to find...) a Mystic Circuits 3DVCA.

Does that sound right to you? Any better / more specific recommendations you'd make over these (trying to stay within the 12HP I freed up).

You've mostly dodged the #1 newbie mistake of "5 voices and no modulation sources" so that's good. Looooooots of modulation to be found here.

The main thing that stands out as missing is utilities: You have the one quad VCA, one mixer (though it's exponential so better for mixing audio than CV), and Maths which is a hybrid CV source/utility. Utilities let your modulation sources intermingle, giving you sounds that evolve in far more complex ways that any of those sources would give you on their own.

I'd look for what you're willing to sacrifice in order to put in another VCA module (perhaps a ring mod, so it's not just the same as the VCA you already have) and a DC-coupled mixer (for your CVs). It's a common refrain in modular synth: You can never have too many VCAs or Mixers. Some other utilities that may prove useful: Mults (Buffered Mults for pitch CV, passive mults can be replaced with stackable cables but sometimes it's nice to have an actula module for it). Logic modules. Attenuverters.

Consider replacing that RackBrute module with a powered case, or a backplane power supply. Power modules can sometimes be a little anemic (your setup is fine: only uses ~75% of the +12V rail), or sometimes couple power noise into the other modules.

Consider a "control surface" module. Something that lets you play the synth in a way other than "turn knob, push button". Joysticks, lightstrips, contact mics, ribbon controllers...Sometimes it's nice to take these very abstract instruments and make something about them a little more tactile. (A more complex MIDI-CV controller could inherit some of this from MIDI CCs, but that Behringer one pretty much only does CV-Gate)

Overall, it does look like a fun system to explore. Just giving you some ideas to chew on.
-- Bassman1805

EDITED Apr 13th, 23:18

You've mostly dodged the #1 newbie mistake of "5 voices and no modulation sources" so that's good. Looooooots of modulation to be found here.

The main thing that stands out as missing is utilities: You have the one quad VCA, one mixer (though it's exponential so better for mixing audio than CV), and Maths which is a hybrid CV source/utility. Utilities let your modulation sources intermingle, giving you sounds that evolve in far more complex ways that any of those sources would give you on their own.

I'd look for what you're willing to sacrifice in order to put in another VCA module (perhaps a ring mod, so it's not just the same as the VCA you already have) and a DC-coupled mixer (for your CVs). It's a common refrain in modular synth: You can never have too many VCAs or Mixers. Some other utilities that may prove useful: Mults (Buffered Mults for pitch CV, passive mults can be replaced with stackable cables but sometimes it's nice to have an actula module for it). Logic modules. Attenuverters.

Consider replacing that RackBrute module with a powered case, or a backplane power supply. Power modules can sometimes be a little anemic (your setup is fine: only uses ~75% of the +12V rail), or sometimes couple power noise into the other modules.

Consider a "control surface" module. Something that lets you play the synth in a way other than "turn knob, push button". Joysticks, lightstrips, contact mics, ribbon controllers...Sometimes it's nice to take these very abstract instruments and make something about them a little more tactile. (A more complex MIDI-CV controller could inherit some of this from MIDI CCs, but that Behringer one pretty much only does CV-Gate)

Overall, it does look like a fun system to explore. Just giving you some ideas to chew on.

EDITED Apr 13th, 20:39