Thank you again Lugia so this ModularGrid Rack is the point where I am. (Mother 32 and 0coast outside the case). Am I going in the right direction? More tips for future modules? Thank you

I'm trying to do a generative ambient patch similar to r beny or Lightbath, anyone have any tips and or patch notes they could give me to achieve this? Thanks so much!

Bought a Serge Triple+ Waveshaper from @fredeke, good communication and fast shipping! Good Seller!

Thread: Patch #2

Circadian Rhythms Tempo @ 136 BPM
From Top to Bottom, Left to Right (in modulargrid)
Note: This is Cables ONLY (see Modular grid for knob parameters)

M32 VCA --> Quad VCA CH. 4 Audio In
M32 MULT1 --> M32 LFO Rate
M32 MULT2 --> M32 VCO Lin FM
DixieII Triangle Out --> Cinnamon Audio In
Mutant Brain CV A Out --> DixieII 1v/Oct
ADSR ENV Out --> Cinnamon CV In
Cinnamon Lowpass Out --> Quad VCA CH. 1 Audio In
Mutant Brain Gate 1 Out --> ADSR Gate In
Circadian Rhythms CH. 1 Out --> Peaks TRIG2 In
Peaks OUT2 --> Maths CH. 4 Rise In
MIDI Solutions MIDI Out 2 --> Mutant Brain MIDI In
ADDAC 201B Buff Mult CH.1 Mult 2 --> Maths Channel 2 In
Maths CH. 3 Out --> Maths CH. 4 BOTH In
Maths CH. 2 Out --> (dummy cable)
Maths SUM Out --> Quad VCA CH. 3 Audio In
Maths CH. 4 Unity Signal Out --> Quad VCA CH. 2 Audio In
Quad VCA 4/Mix Out --> Joranalogue Mix 3 Signal Input A
Joranalogue OUT --> Mixer/Soundcard
Blofeld Left/Stereo Out --> ADDAC 201B Buff Mult CH. 1 In
ADDAC 201B Buff Mult CH. 1 Mult 1 --> Mixer/Soundcard

Outboard Gear
Arturia KeyStep
- MIDI Out --> MIDI Solutions Quadra Thru
- MIDI Solutions Quadra Thru --> Blofeld MIDI In
MIDI Out 1
Sequences are the first 16 bars of Fugue in G Minor with 4 bars per sequence, repeat or advance sequences
to taste.
Blofeld - Modified version of ModWheelOrganSCD Patch (filter stuff like used Comb+, LFO assigned to cutoff)

Thanks to @Asmorod - really nice to make a deal with you!

I use an old tr-626 for live work, sequencing MIDI modules and other drum machines as well as feeding my eurorack the sync signal from the TRIG-out jack, I often leave the 626 in pattern step write mode and that lets me create on the fly. I lose the ability to have patterns all setup with the (useful) accent and flam already but those are easily added in on the fly. Can you do that in the BSP at least? or does that make changing patterns for the synth work impossible and now tied to the single pattern being open for writing in real time? could a module like LaunchCodes be more useful to you?

A drum machine, actually. But barring that, it seems like there should be a solution in drum sequencer modules such as Acidlab's Robokop, Twisted Electrons' Crazy8 Beats, or Erica's Drum Sequencer, all of which are specifically designed to function like drum machine sequencers. While I like and use the BSPs for various things, with one exception (triggering an ancient MXR Drum Computer with a blown sequencer section) I tend to use these as step sequencers, particularly in situations where I want multiple monophonic lines in asynchrony.
-- Lugia

Thanks for your thoughts Lugia. I've had many and most drum machines and old but want a tactile way I can play, in terms of live recording of drum hits and muting and unmuting drum sounds whilst all in the rack. Even with the BSP I feel disconected to from the rack modules. Oh well I'll check out the modules you mention. ✌

A drum machine, actually. But barring that, it seems like there should be a solution in drum sequencer modules such as Acidlab's Robokop, Twisted Electrons' Crazy8 Beats, or Erica's Drum Sequencer, all of which are specifically designed to function like drum machine sequencers. While I like and use the BSPs for various things, with one exception (triggering an ancient MXR Drum Computer with a blown sequencer section) I tend to use these as step sequencers, particularly in situations where I want multiple monophonic lines in asynchrony.

Thread: Dual System

Yeah...I think that for the space vs function issues it deals with, the Erogenous Tones stuff raises the bar on function density in 3U. A combo of the VC8 + RADAR/BLIP provides pretty much everything you'd want in signal control in 54 hp. That sounds like a lot of space, but considering what gets dealt with, it's a great tradeoff. This can deal with both audio and CV simultaneously, can be made to function in a number of more elaborate envelope sequenced methods and, if you take another 10 hp for the Levit8, mixing for 4 channels each of audio and CV, or individual attenuation for any and/or all of that. Add the extra perks like inverters, offset gens, etc...these seem to wind up in all of my builds and build sketches in recent times for very real reasons!

This is a sketch pad for where it's all headed. Getting rid of the basic-function modules (some Doepfer, a fixted filterbank) in favor of some different directions.

Hey all, I am struggling to find a fluid way to perform live with my modular drums. I am currently using a beatstep pro to sequence some tiptop drum modules but find its muting method bloody annoying.

What's your method for perfoming live with drums?

Alpha Hz

Thread: Dual System

I have been thinking of splitting my rack into 2 as well, using one as a controller for the other. I was going to use the new Intellijel Octalink for linking the two systems up. Since you don't have any 1U, in 3U scale there is the equivalent Doepfer A-180-9.

For routing/mixing there are many many options.... Here are two options that just happen to be too big for my rack but seem to be really popular:

Personally, I am going for something smaller:

In my rack I use 2x Quadratts for mixing, but since you don't have 1U, you might consider getting a couple Shades or Triatt modules. Or do what @Lugia was saying and look at some of the rad 8x stuff that Erogenous Tones makes (like Levit8 or VC8).

How could you NOT be happy with the ambient sound with this setup? I mean, hell, it's as ambient as it gets!

Thread: Dual System

Had a look at Erogenous Tones' stuff lately? That might give you a few ideas...

Yeah, the MScale is definitely a must for controlling the M32 with the Eurorack and vice-versa. Next, I think beefing up the modulation capabilities is key here. Doepfer's A-143-1 gives a lot of options for that, plus it comes in very cheaply at 169EUR, which takes us to 229EUR.

Then, I think something that allows you to beef up the M32's sound is going to be critical, namely another VCO. Sticking with Doepfer (best value for function if you're in Europe, I think), the A-110-1 at 117EUR is a decent choice. You don't need anything super-fancy, really, just some different waveforms, sync, and CV mods. So, 346EUR, within your budget frame.

And yeah, Doepfer stuff is just fine. It's rather basic, but when you need basic, it more than fills the bill. Dieter did these things right, that they're what kicked all of this modular craziness back into gear some 20+ years ago!

I have 2x quadratts and a Noise tools, and I can vouch that it makes a pretty sweet 1U row!! :-)

Ok, now just for thought...

I very recently managed to make myself a Poti in only 2HP of 1U space (and I see you have a 2HP gap). This didn't even require soldering to assemble, mainly you have to very carefully drill 3 holes in a blank panel using a template.

As for the dual ADSR, if you wanted to free up some more space.. You could go for a Doepfer A140-2 8HP 2XADSR. I've personally been eyeing the upcoming Doepfer A-142-2 which is 2x AR envelopes+VCAs with ducking, in only 8HP (bonus, you get more VCAs!).

Well, that'd make 9HP more to play with. Rather than going super-high-density, you could use the HP to replace some of those really tiny 2HP modules with bigger and better of the same.

this module is bomb for modular liveset!!!

Thanks Dennis! I have big hands so I thought about that when installing. But I tend to set-n-forget the effects or let CV do the work. So the tight squeeze is okay.

I'm probably going to drop the wave-folder out and replace it with a precision adder, a buffered mult, and a Compare Two all from Joranalogue. I should have the spacing to do that. I'll save the wave-folder for the next case. The Disting can handle precision adding for the meantime until the Joranalogue stuff comes out. This is getting expensive. :)

are you using the befall mixers for audio or do you use a external mixer?
-- dennis123

yeah, I use the befaco mixers. that or the quatro figaro.

I have not used the Crazy8 Beats but it's on my purchase list as I can use it now before I have any eurorack modules. It's a standalone sequencer that can be removed from it's desktop case and placed in a euorack case.

A mutable mixing module would be a great way to utilize the the joysticks of this case. Using the Crazy8 Beats for sequenced changes (since it can do something akin to parameter lock w/ CC's) would require using a MIDI-to-CV converter (which is actually sort of a bummer since it already has trigger and sync IO).

Another misadventure into ridiculous-costing-rigs land...

This all started after seeing a case like this:
3 7 4 DJ Workstation Case

I was thinking how neat it would be to use this case as a eurorack workstation! Since this is a disc jockey case, it would need some kind of catchy new name: Mod Jockey! Can't tell if that's terribly cliché or kind of clever (all my best ideas ride this fine line).

So the eurorack modules will sit in the very top portion of the workstation (where the LCD monitors are in the image). But that's only 3U so my 1U modules will actually sit directly below in the rack unit closest to the top portion. Using Synthrotek's 1U eurorack bracket. Hopefully this slight angle between the 1U and the 3U modules will not be an issue for ergonomics.

What will the remaining 6U of slanted rack space be used for?
Mode Machines Seq-12

The Mode Machines SEQ12 is a 6U 19" rack-mountable sequencer. The SEQ12 has 3 MIDI outputs and they can be put into "CVFASTMODE" which sends MIDI data at a much faster rate (not sure if this will work with the Bastl 1983 or not, I'm also interested in exploring the Hexinverter Mutant Brain for this purpose). My plan is to use one MIDI output for the 1983, one for the Treadstone and another will go to my external daisy-chained gear.

The 4 rack units at the very bottom will have a 3 rack unit mixer of some kind and a 1 rack unit compressor. These will let me master the sound just a bit while performing live. The Analogue Solutions RP08 will be used as a "trunk" connecting my eurorack to my mixer from inside the case (saves me some HP from a true mixer module and avoids extra patch cable clutter heading into the case).

So, about $2,500 for the eurorack modules, another $400 for the case (including the eurorack brackets), the SEQ12 is $1100 iirc and the mixer and compressor will set me back at least another grand. So about $5,000 for this whole rig all things considered (which I still haven't considered a power supply!)....I must be dreaming...

Hi, just read your posts on this your real eurorack?
Are happy with the ambient sound with this setup?

Thank you all for your tips. Ok Lugia so move #1 done: m32 is back in its case. Now outside my doepfer case I have the m32 and the 0-coast. What now? what module do I absolutely need considering my budget at the moment is 300/400 euros? Are doepfer LFOs good? I was looking at dooepfer A-145 LFO and A-156 QNT or should i look for something different? Do I need the erica synth Mscale for m32 and 0-coast?

maybe try out placing the 2hp modules between bigger modules to get better playable accessibility to the knobs
im currently going crazy fiddling around my 2hp mix and 2hp verb ''twiddling'' the knobs :-(

did you already play with the sequencers? maybe some mutable mixing module? im currently looking for something like that myself for immediate control over channels

are you using the befall mixers for audio or do you use a external mixer?

Thread: Dual System


im planning on 2 Racks complementing each other. One is more suited for melody tasks (metropolis + shifty + eventually a buffered multiple), the other case for techno/glitchy stuff (the telharmonic providing a melody/chord source).

im currently struggling finding a convenient routing / mixing solution....
i know... more vcas? i just wish there was a smaller mutamix module (i love faders and mute switches )

anyone got any tips for my routing/mixing problems? you think i lack anything in particular?

cheers, Dennis

I think little nerd could be really useful for weird rhythmic clocking, so I could replace burst or sampling modulator... or get rid of olegtron..

excited for this cases perform-ability :) getting rigged up for a show next week with Hataken from tokyo and Plea here in pdx :)

Lots missing here: modulation sources (envelopes, function gens, LFOs), extra VCOs to thicken up the M32's VCO sound, VCAs (both linear for CV work and exponential for audio), perhaps a reverb (not counting Clouds here, but something like a spring), some expansion to the sequencing as well as more clock modulation/logic to create variation.

I'd strongly suggest that move #1 be the removal of the M32 from the cab, though...put it back in its own skiff, if you have it handy. The build you're doing here is in a cab that's really too small to support 60 hp of it being taken up by that one device. Open that space up for more, then I think a lot of the options I and others have mentioned will happen a lot more smoothly.

Modulation sources, definitely hands down.
DivKid did a great video on the Vector Space. If I had the space, I'd get one. It should give you some interesting results when combining modulation sources. The Batumi is fine. But I sound like a broken record on the forums when I say to get the Poti along with it. You won't have to fuss with the jumpers on the back if you want LFO shapes like triangles, saws, etc.

If you'll be working with volts per octave, you may want to get a buffered mult and possibly an adder (for accurately summing CV).

Here's the video for the Vector Space.

Hello flaminggarlic, thank you for your tips, I’ll look for modulation modules, what do you think about batumi and the pittsburgh modular lifeform micro sequence? Nice video, rich of ideas, thank you.

Now I am seriously thinking of replacing the pre / env follower with an ES-8 and getting Bitwig.

This is a cool lecture I saw this morning that has some interesting approaches to sequencing in euro by South Coast Modular. It's pretty interesting and may give you some ideas of what direction you might want to go.

I'd reccomend some modulation and a second sequencer for more patch variation. Something like the qubit octone would add variation to the mother sequencer. For modulation, maybe something like a Pam's new workout if you don't hate menus, or disting if you really don't hate menus. Maths is is hands on and really useful, but there are other dual function generators out there. I've been looking at the blue lantern spore generator and thinking it looks interesting. There's also the sin phi miasma, and the befaco rampage (sliders > knobs) . The ways to use these are endless, but the logic sections are great for creating quasi repeating phrases of cv that sort of sound the way you expect melodies to sound. Paired with a quantizer you can "play" the thing and get immediate musical results. Maths is great because you can attenuate those signals before you compare them, giving you a lot of control.

MOTU and Bitwig is a solid choice for modular integration because MOTU interfaces can output DC voltage and Bitwig has native plugins build in which are very similar to Silent Way.

ModularGrid Rack

Hello world. This is my rack now. Outside the rack I have a make noise 0 coast. What modules should I add now? Some must have doepfers? Maths? I'm interested in drones and ambient. Thank you very much for helping a noob.

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Thanks for the feedback. I'll certainly check out Bitwig. And re the ES-8 or ES-3 I'm thinking that this could be a possibility, while the Motu as a first step could give me a taste of that type of integration.

You could...if you could get one. While I know Foxtone's scrambling to get Buchla's production back on track after the Aussie fiasco, there's still supply issues with Buchla products that make them tricky to get in some locales. The price is also up: $5k, more or less, with shipping for the traditional Easel with the Model 218 controller and without any extra Easel Cards.

First up, check out Bitwig. I've been hearing a lot of praise for it as something of a 'simpler Ableton', plus it's competitively priced. Also, while Reason seems attractive, I still hear occasional gripes about timing issues from users, although my bet on their problems are that they stem from a computer issue and not necessarily the software. Even so, the tendency makes me a bit jinky of Reason. Bitwig also gives you a more traditional DAW framework, allowing smooth VST integration, which gets into the next part...

Get Silent Way and an Expert Sleepers ES-8. This would then allow you to directly address the modular from within the DAW in CV/gate/trig terms, plus allow four return channels for audio and/or control 'feedback' to the DAW of synth activity. In a small rig with this much architectural complexity, the ES-8 would prove very useful, especially with its ability to reconfigure on the fly via Silent Way + DAW calls.

That's not bad for starters...

OK...makes sense to me. A lot of what I was hearing earlier sounded like the usual "I wanna be X"-type of stuff, which was a bit worrying. Those are the people who buy in massively, then suddenly realize "my god...what have I gotten myself into!?", and that's never a fun position to be in. I like to warn people off of finding themselves in that sort of hyperexpensive quandry, as it does them no good, does the craft of musicmaking no good, and so on. So, yes, I get blunt...but that bluntness has reasons. However, you do seem to know the hole you're digging, and why, so...

So...first four critiques above still apply. Then the next would be: think smaller. 2 x 104 is actually a pretty crampy space, and dropping big hp-count modules in unless they're utterly essential (Maths) isn't the best way to utilize limited space. So, go back to the individual module types and look into how you can get close to the functionality you have but with a smaller footprint in the rack. Or...go bigger. Granted, the Intellijel 7U is a pretty ubiquitous case, but in a similar price range, there ARE others. So...the 7U is $650-ish street, with 208hp in 3U and 104 in Intellijel tiles. But's this case from Erica for the same price, street, but you'd have 378 hp (126 x 9U), fully powered as well with 1.25A on the 12 volt rails per row. Plus, it's expandable, and since you have later expansion in mind, this makes it easy as all you'd need is a second cab, plus the dual-cab cheeks from Erica, to then have a nice angled rig. Yes, you lose your tile row. But when you have far more 3U space, that's not going to matter as you can easily replicate the tile functions in that format and still have room left to go.

Given that you mention later expansion, my choice would clearly be the Erica. Also, it's easier to 'hack'...let's say you want a couple of deep rows in addition to the two 64mm depth cases. Easy enough: just get hold of a woodworker who can make you the appropriate cheeks to mount all your 126hp-width stuff together as a unit. Need more? More woodwork. And woodwork is cheap compared to trying to expand into bigger and bigger racks each time you want to grow. Just grab another Erica 126hp, send the specs to your cabinet guy, get the cheeks back, and bolt away. Theoretically, that could go on for quite some time. Plus: you can stay with bigger footprint modules like you have here AND get the room you need to keep on going. Then, with that space, going with more signal paths becomes a reality, and you get way closer to the sort of complex device you need from your descriptions of usage.

So, my first suggestion at this point: tear it down, start over, go larger and with a modular case concept that you can get from the Erica gear. As for portability, that's simple enough, too: just keep your cabs separate, with separate cheeks, and get cases for each such as the ones you can get custom-built from Thomann for not a hellacious amount of $$$. Takes up more space in the studio, but gives you pretty smashproof cartage options. You'd really need to try hard to fubar an ATA case.

you could buy the real thing for less

ModularGrid Rack

Hmm.. this view of the rack in the forum post isn't the correct version of my rack. It changes when I click on the link.

ModularGrid Rack

I have slowly been building my rack after starting off with a Minibrute 2s and 6U Rackbrute. So far I have about half of these modules installed or on order. It was a lot of fun building the VCA, Glitch Drum, and O_C modules (I have a decent working background in audio and electronics). I have not yet purchased the Morphagene, Contour, or BIA yet. I'm looking at upgrading my soundcard to a Motu Ultralite Mk4 and using the envelope follower as an effects loop. I realized that the Ultralite will output AC and DC signals at Eurorack levels, so the envelope follower is not entirely necessary. What I am ultimately after is a setup that will allow me to create a mix between ambient / atmospheric vibes, over short but evolving musical patches. I am going to count 2 VCO's from the Minibrute, 1+1 from the Cloud Terrarium, and another from any of the BIA, Glitch Drum, or Disting modules. In my head I am thinking of using the Contour to trigger stages of the song progression and specifically chose it for the longer envelope duration that it's capable of. My current DAW is FL Studio, and since starting out with my rack I have been using it only to record and sometimes send sync over USB to the Minibrute so that I can add an extra track within the DAW. I'm thinking of adding a Beatstep Pro, since I find the Minibrute a bit cumbersome to use for programming multiple tracks. My feeling with this plan so far is that I might want another filter, and I might end up dropping the Euclidean Circles. I may also try out another DAW such as Reason.

Any thoughts, suggestions, or substitutions that I should consider? Do I have to fit a slew limiter in here?

Here's a demo of the polyphonic abilities of the production model of the E370, extensively using the onboard chord table sequencer

Ronin; thank you for responding man. Sorry I didn’t upload it right so you could see everything that I had really sketched out. I’ll definitely look into that expert sleepers module and do some research on it. Thanks again man :)

Lugia; thank you as well for responding and being real with me about my choices.

I guess maybe I should clarify a few things from my initial post. I know I brought up Colin Benders and Steevio and said that I would like to be able to eventually do something like them. But I guess I really should have made that statement more clear. I don’t want to sound like anyone. That has always been my mission the 7 years that I’ve been producing music. I always strive so sound different and have my own style. I want everything that I make to show me. No somebody else. I used them as an example because I love listening to them and I really want to know how to achieve a similar work flow with my modular. I know those guys are like fucking geniuses when I come to this stuff and I can’t try to be like them. That would just be crazy.

As far as me producing in Ableton; I feel like in my 7 years with the software I have barely even scratched the surface of all of the quirks and features of Ableton. But when I got my M32 and 0-Coast, I fell in love with the anolog and modular world. The sounds and different ways to get sounds out of just those 2 semi modular units has brought more smiles to my face in the year that I have owned them, then creating inside Ableton and using plug ins and operators to creat sounds for the last 7 years ever has. I am in love and passionate about sound. That is why I have decided to pursue creating a Eurorack. For the pure pastion of sound. And the endless possibilities that come with Eurorack.

Finally, me submitting this forum is to gain knowledge from people like you and the other brilliant minds of this community. I learn the most when I talk to people that know much more then me on a subject. And I understand that it’s expensive. And very complex and complicated. But that’s why I am here. To learn :) No one can scare me away from pursuing this. But I will need help and gidence to get me going in the right direction. Thank you for your help this far. It has opened my eyes to a lot of my choices thus far. If you can help out any more or give any more suggestions to me now that I have clarified my ententions, that would be amazing.

Thanks so much.

OK, you scared me enough...
I won't buy that module!


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Looking at the actual build (which will show if you go back into the designer, select 'snapshot view', then refresh until the correct version loads), there are some very glaring problems:

1) Do you have a Clouds? If not, and if you can't source a used one, then you'll have to either go with a third-party build, a DIY version, or consider something else.

2) The Doepfer A-138p is long as you have its output module. Otherwise, it's input-only; you shouldn't think that you can backside-connect it to the Intellijel Line Output tile. Best advice here: try something else stereo...and make sure it has outputs.

3) That's an expensive quantizer you've got there, with four channels...and only two VCOs, which really should be paired together in the same voice. Basically, that ADDAC quantizer isn't appropriate for a small build like this; if you had something like 8 or more VCOs to feed, it would be a lot more sensible.

4) You have a lowpass filter and another lowpass filter. Yes, they're different, but not that different. Plus, since you'll obtain a much more interesting and fuller sound by tandemming the VCOs, why not just one filter? And for that matter, why not a multimode so that you can get some different filter topologies to use other than the 1 1/2 that's there now?

5)...ok, just stop. Hold it. Are you sure this is a rabbit hole you want to dive into? Modular is expensive. It's quite complicated. You might think it can solve a lot of musical issues, but if you're running Ableton (which I do, as well) with all of its capabilities, especially due to MAX for Live, and its you need this device? Sure, you want it, and you want to sound like these other people (which I think is a really stupid, stupid, STUPID reason for plunking down big buxxx for gear, frankly; learn to sound like YOU do first!), but on something that's as much as a blank slate as a modular synthesizer really is, you probably haven't got a lot of hope of pulling that magical transformation into these other artists' clone off without a metric f**kton of practice and...especially...research beforehand to ascertain the best way to do this (which, again, I think isn't anything approximating a good idea).

From my experience in music, I can tell you that there's a pile of other people who want to do what you want to do here, too. This doesn't mean that you should do the same. That's not creative, nor would it be anything indicative of who YOU are as a musician. You'd just be a clone...among other a zone awash in clones. Which will, believe me, suck more than you know because the results won't fool anyone.

If you feel that you have exhausted the possibilities of Ableton plus the patchables you have now...well, you're a better man than I, Gunga Din. But my guess is that you haven't. Having worked in electronic music for some 40 years now, I can tell you that there's not a day that goes by that some new wrinkle doesn't pop out of the musical framework for me to mess with, even with devices I've had since the 1980s. So, my advice...ultimately...would be to stop, soberly take a look at your musical situation and development minus the "I want" attachment thing, and really consider what you're doing. First. THEN...and only then...if you think this is what you need to do, again...stop, do research that helps you understand what a good electronic instrument is about, and THEN...and only then, again...start building on MG toward a final build. Expect to fail at this about...oh, eleventy-billion times, but eventually you'll arrive at something you just know is correct. But by doing this this way, you're not simply building a shopping list and/or future debt, you'll be taking assessment of who you are as a musician...and this is infinitely more important than any piece of gear you can buy! Trust me on that.