Thread: PDO #2

WMD PDO being phase displaced by Rings in 2 OP FM Mode and into the Echophon and ErbeVerb. The output of the PDO is also fed into Clouds to FSU.

uO_C in Low Rents Mode
uRings in 2 OP FM Mode
Clouds in Granular Mode


Yeah, no link on this one or the other two 'Bizarre' modules that've been posted recently. Damn shame...they look tasty, but without manufacturer/vendor links and/or more info, or worse still, depths and current draws on the first two, it'll be a bit of a stretch to get people jazzed about them (hint, hint!).


no link?


Check out Zadar by XAOC. It's like an envelope or transient generator but on steroids.


Yeah. You'll need a small mixer and output. I like the NE Xerest Pola for compactness, mute switches, and headphone out, but there are a lot of good options. I love all the NE stuff!

You'll also want a trigger or gate sequencer to power those envelopes. NE has a lot of options for those, the Bin-seq is only 4HP wide as a gate sequencer. Probably you'll want a small sequencer too, maybe shop for one that has a built-in quantizer (O+C can do that, for example).

I happen to have a 220HP 7U case and I keep my DFAM inside the case... it's basically the center of my rack and I patch it to everything, so it didn't make sense to pull it away and have 10 cables of spaghetti between the DFAM and the rest of the rack. If I were you I would eye a slightly larger rack space with the thought that basically one row is already spent on your DFAM and Erebus. In larger racks power consumption is the biggest limitation, and the DFAM/Erebus don't draw as much power per HP as a lot of tiny digital modules, so it works out well actually.

-- cg_funk

Yea i have been using the doepfer vca as a mixer/output now. Its not ideal since it has a bit of noise, not too much tho and does the job temporarily for now. The diy mixer i posted seems like a solution for this.

I have plenty of trigger outs in BSP, currently only using one. Lil erebus also has gate out i can sync to. I have been looking at the audio damage sequencer, but that would likely mean trading dfam away.. But sequencing from mpc through BSP and sometimes just BSP works ok for now. I feel like modulation is more important currently. But then i have this feeling in the back of my head that there is something else missing as well, but i dont know what. And there are plenty of different modulation sources that im unaware of. I do know that im not after some very basic LFO, i have one on erebus, that can actually get pretty interesting when clocking it through the divider module :) but still, there are 4 sound sources and only one very basic LFO in the setup. Maybe something that can make both envelopes and complex LFOs would suit me.

I was eyeing on the doepfer complex envelope generator / LFO, but then realized that it might nit actually be straight up many envelopes and LFOs, but something i dont quite understand..

Oh and one thing i really would like from a modulator is the ability to do slooooow complex LFOs. Running slow LFO to Loquelic Iteritas cv inputs sounds sick, especially if there were more than just one of them..


You might want to do a little research on an "Ornaments & Crime" module and the Expert Sleepers Disting Mk4.

They aren't dedicated modulation modules. But they have LFOs that can themselves be modulated as well as other sources of modulation (sequencing, quantizers, etc.). Each one will be under 300EU, definitely. The O&C gives you more modulation while the Disting has some audio effects (resonators, reverbs, delays, etc.).

What's nice about this type of module is that if you find yourself using a particular aspect of it over and over, you can then make an informed decision if you might want a dedicated module to perform those functions freeing up your original module to perform other functions.

Get the Moog out of your case. HP is expensive and you'll probably add more modules as time goes on. No sense in buying another case or a larger one when your Mother can sit right next to it.

-- Ronin1973

I already had looked at the expert sleepers module, but the lack of clear controls are a bit offputting, but that was just the first impression. Ill look at it some more. O&C looks interesting as well and seems pretty cheap for what it does. Ill definitely keep that in mind. Thanks


Yeah. You'll need a small mixer and output. I like the NE Xerest Pola for compactness, mute switches, and headphone out, but there are a lot of good options. I love all the NE stuff!

You'll also want a trigger or gate sequencer to power those envelopes. NE has a lot of options for those, the Bin-seq is only 4HP wide as a gate sequencer. Probably you'll want a small sequencer too, maybe shop for one that has a built-in quantizer (O+C can do that, for example).

I happen to have a 220HP 7U case and I keep my DFAM inside the case... it's basically the center of my rack and I patch it to everything, so it didn't make sense to pull it away and have 10 cables of spaghetti between the DFAM and the rest of the rack. If I were you I would eye a slightly larger rack space with the thought that basically one row is already spent on your DFAM and Erebus. In larger racks power consumption is the biggest limitation, and the DFAM/Erebus don't draw as much power per HP as a lot of tiny digital modules, so it works out well actually.


You might want to do a little research on an "Ornaments & Crime" module and the Expert Sleepers Disting Mk4.

They aren't dedicated modulation modules. But they have LFOs that can themselves be modulated as well as other sources of modulation (sequencing, quantizers, etc.). Each one will be under 300EU, definitely. The O&C gives you more modulation while the Disting has some audio effects (resonators, reverbs, delays, etc.).

What's nice about this type of module is that if you find yourself using a particular aspect of it over and over, you can then make an informed decision if you might want a dedicated module to perform those functions freeing up your original module to perform other functions.

Get the Moog out of your case. HP is expensive and you'll probably add more modules as time goes on. No sense in buying another case or a larger one when your Mother can sit right next to it.


Excellent transactions with @StateAzure, @kvlnkk and @djthopa. Thanks again guys! : )


Hi @LeSlow, that depends on what you mean by "alter" the gates. One thing you can do is plug all the gates from the expander, and then move from one to another sequentially (or in other manners). This module is a 4:1 or 1:4 switch or anything from 1:1 up to 1:4 and vice versa.

Let me know what it is you want to do in more detail.

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Pretty basic patch this time.
No modulations going on here.


Disting Algo E2 all default Parameter settings. Rise and Fall span a wide range of values depending on Z input and cross modulations leading to that input.


Live set from Beacon Sound here in pdx.
Shared the bill with the amazing:
PLEA in support of Hataken (tokyo festival of modular) US tour :)
12u drum machine, which is also sequencing the Digitone for lead fm duties and being processed by the modular as well.
Recorded live and direct in the case with the new 4ms Wav Recorder !
Cheers and thanks for listening if you have a moment.


Hi everyone, first post here. I recently got into this eurorack thing and just got a few new upgrades for my rack the other day, but im still missing some modulations and perhaps some other utility modules. Im slightly lost with the rack and sorta scratching my head about which direction to take it towards.

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Besides my rack, i also have beatstep pro, mpc live and an ipad connected to focusrite 6i6. 6i6 can take the output of modules, but it is a little noisy. Output module would be nice, but i feel like there is more important things i need first than to get rid of a little noise. I dont really need FX modules since i run all sounds through AUM on ipad and i can use FX plugins in it.

At the moment im mostly doing midi sequences, sampling them to mpc and making new ones. I feel like that is most likely the path i will continue now, instead of trying to build a proper standalone groovebox. I am considering that as well tho, and the new René looks interesting.. There is this mixer module im planning of buying at some point Uraltone tube sounding micro mixer but i definitely feel like i need some more modulation, something more complex than the simple LFOs on lil erebus. I looked as Ypsilon, but couldnt find pretty much any info on it, or videos on youtube.. I would naturally want to get cheap as possible and my budget is pretty much the midi guitar im trying to sell(hoping to get around 350€, but likely will need to settle for like 300€ or less) + not too much more.

Any ideas anyone? I know i will definitely want a buffered multi at least

I can make plenty of room to my rack by putting DFAM back to its own case and 3D-printing a case for lil erebus.


Bought an Intellijel Shifty from @StateAzure, everything great, practically new, thanks!


Hey guys

A while back I installed my mother32 in a 9U rack. In true Eurocrack style I filled the 9U, and now want to try and use my M32 case as another home for a couple more modules (keeping the M32 in the 9U rack).

Does anyone have any advice on doing this?

Much appreciated :)


CV Interface Input 1 = Roll O Decks (following the speed of the LFO)
CV Interface Input 2 = Envelope Follower
CV Interface Input 3 = LFO Attenuated
CV Interface Input 4 = LFO Unattenuated

LFO in Low Range

Master Out (guitar loop) -> Loop/Freq Shifter Intput & Input 4 VCA Mixer
Loop/Freq Shifter Out -> Digital Delay In & Input 1 VCA Mixer & Spring Rever Input
Delay Out -> Input 2 VCA Mixer
Spring Reverb Out -> Input 3 VCA Mixer

CV Routings (I was varying them during the video, so try around a bit):
Amount/SSR -> Roll o Decks
Control/Crush -> Envelope Follower
Delay Time -> LFO (attenuated)
Reverb Cutoff -> LFO (attenuated)
Thresh -> LFO


Got it! Thanks again!


Braids, in addition to being discontinued and replaced by Plaits, is only a single signal source. What you need to look for is how many incoming oscillator CVs you see. Braids has only the single 1V/8va CV input, ergo it can only respond to a single incoming pitch value at any time. Contrast this with something like Flame's 4VOX, where you clearly see four separate, distinct VCOs. Now, on those, you DO see two CV inputs...but when you see something like that on something that's clearly a single source, it means that one of the CV inputs is for the 1V/8va pitch control CV, and the other one is actually for incoming modulation signals, such as from an LFO. And even moreso with the 4VOX, you have another CV input that's clearly labelled "PITCH"...so in its case, the 1V/8va signal definitely goes there. But...you could also send that to the CV1 or CV2 inputs and then use the attenuators for each to change the pitch response to something other than the usual 1V/8va, resulting in microtonal intervals.

Perhaps a clearer example would be Studio Electronics' QUADNIC...on that, you clearly see each of the four "1V/O" CV inputs for pitch control of the module's four digital VCOs, and the individual outputs for each one along with a mixed output of all, and a bussed-to-all modulation input. This is the sort of thing you want IF you opt to use quad-type modules which, granted, tend to save a bit over using single discrete modules both in terms of space and money.


M32 Sequence: G-F-Eb-Db-G#-F#-E-D



If you don't have a Temps Utile or a Pamela's New Workout, I would suggest getting one. I'm loving my Temps Utile for having six clocks that multiply, divide, or I can just swap that out for a custom sequence, some Eucl., or other rhythmic pattern right inside the module.


Placing your semi-modulars in the rack looks convenient. But you're denying yourself access to future modules. You'll probably find yourself pulling one or both of the Moogs out of the rack eventually.

What are using to mix signals?

Perhaps you might consider an Intellijel 104 7U case? You'll have more room for growth as well as access to the 1U space for mixers (like the Quadratt), noise/slew generators, etc.


$15 lol... you don't have to recalibrate anything when you change the firmware


I appreciate your clear feedback Lugia!
That means, that Braids for ex. ,since it's not a quad Vco, cannot deliver polyphonic notes? by itself...or i would need a multiplier of some sort ( total newb :) )


Well, yes/no/maybe. 'Quad', in the module database, refers to modules that have four identical (more or less) functions, as a rule. There's a few things that actually are four-channel devices...but not many. Now, as to the yes/no/maybe part...let's say you have a quad VCO, such as Doepfer's latest unit. You could then feed each VCO into each filter on a quad VCF, like Qu-bits, and so on. But that wouldn't quite fit the bill of the reason for having modular, which is to take advantage of the open architecture to construct your own instrumental paths.

Example: with two quad VCOs, then you have two VCOs per voice, which you can deploy as 1-1-1-1 / 1-1-1-1 OR 2-2 / 2-2. More quad filters means more possible timbral combinations. So, yes...quad tends to refer to modules that 'play nice' in a 4-voice polyphonic environment and are convenient for that sort of architecture, but by no means do you have to use them as discrete voice components. It's just handier to patch polyphonically with them.


where can i get this?


Thank you! Quad would be 4 note polyphony ?


Sure...there's quite a few modules in different categories that can work for full polyphony use. Search under the 'quad' category and you'll see a large chunk of them there.


Hi there - I have a Mother 32 and DFAM and am considering buying an Artruria Rackbrute 6U to store both modules and add a few new ones for effects processing. What I'm thinking of adding is a: (1) 4ms Dual Looping Delay, (2) Erbe-Verb, (3) Disting mk4, (4) Intellijel uScale, and (5) a buffered mult. Am I missing anything, and does this setup make sense? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


Thread: ER 301 USERS

This is actually one of the first plans where I haven’t included my BL ADSR. I was thinking I’d be able to have a little more flexibility over all with the Quadra AD.


Put on your headphones, clear 20 minutes of your time and join me on a road trip down the United States' West Coast, from Seattle to Los Angeles, listening to dictaphone travel commentary and interludes of experimental modular synthesizer music, played on a Snazzy FX Eurorack system.

The rack:
ModularGrid Rack
It also includes a spring reverb tank, but that's it. Nothing else was used for the sounds in this video. No external sequencer, keyboard, etc.

More info on Snazzy FX and my music with the system in this thread: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=193591&highlight=


hello, I'm here again asking for help. So this is my rack at the moment (outside I have always M32 and 0 coast) Am I missing something essentialnow? what could I add? pam's? EG?
ModularGrid Rack


Hey -- here's a video of this case in action:


Is there any module that offers polyphony ? or just through melodic chords that some modules offer?

Thanks


Thread: ER 301 USERS

Seems fine to me...the only flaw I see is that you're missing an ADSR-type envelope source or two for one-shot modulation of mod signals, especially via linear VCAs. My inclination would be to lose the A-160 and the buffers, then drop in some Ladik IADSR, DADSR, or AHDSR 4 hp modules to make that happen and to also give you some function 'tweaks' beyond a simple ADSR EG.


Thread: ER 301 USERS

Is a rack something like this too much modulation with ER 301 as the only sound source? I am looking to modulate modulation. I have most of these modules. Still waiting on the ER 101 and trying to decide on the Quadra. I am a newer ER 301 use and I cant get over how much clean sound you can get out of it. So I am wondering if I should ditch having other sound sources all together?

what do you think?


the very friendly @jameswalk sold me a A160-2 clock divider in lovely condition, packaged nicely and arrived the day after posting UK to UK


Was thinking about the market place and ways of making the transactions a little more 'secure'. From what I understand - and it's only based on the experience of buying 2 bits of kit from 2 separate sellers, is that unless one in the transaction is prepared to pay the additional percentage to have the transaction covered, then everything else is done on a goodwill basis. And whilst on the whole, our community is full of like minded, good people, there do seem to be experiences of things not going so well.

Here in the UK, there's a new scheme that's being used by the government, in an attempt to stem bad practices as far as builders is concerned. Its voluntary at present, but seems to work well - and it's based on there bing a holing account for the money. I wondered whether something like this might work well for MG. Yes, ebay is an alright place to buy modules, but it would be cool to not have to use them and keep it within the community.

The way I guess it would work would be that there is a holding account - so there's an advert, an agreement between the seller and buyer, the money is put into that account that only MG have the ability to release and when the module has arrived, and the buyer is happy, then the money released.

I understand that it might be a good idea but needs to be administered...but maybe there's a small fee for using it or something.
Just thought I'd put it out there, as I think it could really work incredibly well!


Thanks @gesta for a great and fast deal on his module!


Thread: Baby Synth

Hey everyone, there's my modular synth.. H'es finish now after 6 months.. Leave your opinion :)


Looking at the Metropolis...it doesn't seem to clock multiply, only divide. So, if you're sending it an 8th-note pulse, that's your minimum rhythmic value. In order to get the sequencer to step at 16th-notes, you're going to have to use a clock multiplier to half the time on the 8th-note pulses, or just feed a 16th-note pulse as your master clock and then use clock dividers to obtain lower values where needed.


Hi guys,
I hope this is the right threat for it. I have some issued with the incoming clock on the metropolis and wanted to ask if any one could help me out with the right edit.

So I have a digitize connected to the shuttle control, the shuttle control send a clock out to the metropolis but the metropolis just receives a 1/8 clock although I would love to have it run as a 1/16.

I can devide the incoming clock in the metropolis to 1/8 = 1/4, 1/2, 1/1 but I somehow can't get the 1/8 to run to the 1/16. Maybe its a preference in the shuttle control.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance


Apologies, a search for it didn't yield any results.


@gesta Quick response, well packed parcel, module arrived in great condition. Highly recommended.


If you broke into Detroit Modular and Perfect Circuit and had 3 minutes to grab whatever you could throw in two duffel bags. :)


Here is my current setup for what I do.
What I get out of it is mostly outer space noise echo, drone, random seq's.
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts, input, on it or the modules used or could be used.
ModularGrid Rack


why was this posted again?