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Hi CyberneticOhm,

Wow, that's great stuff, interesting and beautiful done track! It makes me hungry for more :-) When was your concert tour in Europe, you said? ;-)

Thank you very much for sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Sacguy71,

Oh that's very interesting the Launchpad versus Five12 sequencer :-) I will keep this in mind, the launchpad might be indeed a good add-on for the Five12.

Kind regards, Garfield.

XAOC makes the Sewastopol II (10hp and 3.4cm) and Ladik makes several I/O modules that are 4hp each. The A525 might work for your purposes (4hp, 3.2cm).
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/ladik-a-525
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/xaoc-devices-sewastopol-ii

Nice groove @sacguy71, did you ever listen to Wolf Eyes? If not I think they might be your kinda band.

I am aware of the modular rabbit-hole cause-effect. I want a very specific setup, base on a sampling and processing instrument or any audio source in realtime as well as in the studio. So I need something portable to bring with me to a rehearsal situation or concert hall. I am also still going to use my computer with my own Reaktor patch. At the moment I am only concern about the depth of the Moog Eurorack Case, which has 4.82cm. The intellijel audio interface II has 4.4cm and I don't know if it will fit probably. I hope so otherwise, I will have to rethink my setup since there aren't too many in-outs interfaces in a 10hp. Thank you for your suggestion.

Fun today with Noise Engineering Cursus Iteritas in melodic sequence with Pamela New Workout using random LFO modulation and Euclidian patterns.

Thanks - I had a 12v 3a adapter that I was close to trying. But fear made me order the Boost instead and not take a chance!

I'll just have to wait.

Thx

I also recommend start with a larger case. Getting a 6U or 9U Doepfer case would open up more options for you now and into the future.

Shakespeare thank you for your advice. It was really helpful. I actually replaced Maths with Quadrax in my setup. I saw the youtube walkthrough and it is a really amazing module. I would like to ask you a question. In my setup, I have the intellijel audio Interface II which has 4,4cm depth and the case I am planning to buy is Moog Eurorack Case, which as 4,82cm almost 5 cm. Do you think it will fit or it too tight?

Whoaa!!! this is alien technology!

Sounds fantastic, thanks for sharing.

EDITED Nov 15th 2020, 19:27

Thanks for the feedback, everyone :)

Thanks, yeah it would be cool to add a row of Rossum modules: Trident, Morpheus Z Filter, Control Forge, Assimil8or to a new setup. For a complex oscillator, I would get Verbos, Instruo Cs-l, and Frap Tools Brenso. That with few filters, good sequencer and modulation tools would be sweet with some percussion modules.

I really dig Trident.

The 'voices' in my main modular build consist of three complex oscillators (DPO, Odessa, Trident) alongside Plaits and BIA. Trident has a different take than DPO or Odessa and tracks very well for analog oscillators. It loves to modulate itself or eat modulation from any number of other sources. Build quality is exceptional. Layout is a bit crowded and perhaps confusing at first glance. I wish for a bit more space between knobs. Overall, it's an amazingly capable oscillator and, for my build, gives me a lot of new and exciting options. Totally happy with the purchase.

DivKid shows it off nicely here:

The Subharmonicon pulls 360 mA +12V.
The Voltage Lab pulls 525 mA +12V.
The MSCALE pulls 6 mA +12V.

So, we're up to 891mA @ 12V, very close to the limit of the uZEUS 13.5V 1000mA PSU. Step up to the uZEUS Boost 3000mA 13V Universal Power Adaptor.

I grew my first modular build into four 104HP skiffs, each powered by a uZEUS. It was my experience that a conservative approach was necessary and often found myself needing more power per skiff. The uZEUS was often temperamental with certain modules, mostly those wanting more and consistent draw and operating on arduino/pi/microcontroller/single-board type builds. The flying bus cables were kind of a drag to manage and keep organized. I still have three of those skiffs but now only use one with a 3000mA 13V PSU.

Good, clean, consistent power is vital.

Getting the 3 blinking blue lights on the uZeus when I plug just these three modules in.

The VRL or the Subharm will work fine if I unplug one of them.

Is it the wall wart? I bought the case and the power supply used and the WW says Tiptop audio on it. Says is outputs 13.1v @ 1.1 amps.

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_1343489.jpg

Thanks :)

/applause!

Real nice Wishbone!

I was trying to create something droning, long gates from slow-clocking the Noise Engineering Bin Seq and notes from the 2hp ARP, Befaco EvenVCO (Just DIY'd) Saw output on the low notes, MakeNoise STO on the higher buzzy folded notes, 2hp bell going through Monsoon Clouds in Granular mode with lots of Freeze action from the 2hp RND gates output, a little light percussion here and there from ADDAC103

Pretty sure I'm going to enjoy my new Befaco Even VCO :)

Very cool. Thanks for sharing. Mylar Melodies made a good video about generative patching too.

Amazing -- I want more!

There is a very good You Tube video explaining how to patch generative music.

The new ep from NZ modular synth collective cyberneticohm gets its initial release via bandcamp > available in all stores from 24th November >
https://cyberneticohm.bandcamp.com/album/3-before-9-ep

Hi at all, I assembled my first modular with these modules:

I have 8 hp left over.
Do you have any advice for me?
I was thinking for a mixer and in particular the make noise optomix because I probably must mix verbos oscillators and voltages.
If I control everything from Qunexus via vca i feel frying of pressure on controller keys.
Could it be that it is not correct to control via vca? I saw online that through Optomix you can control well with Qunexus.
After that I plan to expand an additional 84 hp row of effects and maybe another oscillator.
With the Vermona Tai-4 I can connect my drum machine right? The xls attack is a bit uncomfortable but I found the right cable.
Thanks
FB

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How do you like the Rossum Trident? Is it considered a complex oscillator and is it worth the money as it is an expensive module?

Had fun experimenting with Euclidian patterns with Pamela's New Workout as sequencer/clock:

Just a relaxing jam on the Make Noise DPO and Rossum Electro-Music Trident.

Oh, man! 17 minutes... something to achieve, for sure!

Vector works with Launchpad. Steve Turner has a great video on it:

That is a game changer. Yes, expensive but no more than WMD Metron or Winter Eloquencer with expanders. All modular sequencers are super expensive. You are right, never enough room. I already filled 2 6U cases in first year working modular. Now want another 500HP new case space. Doepfer Monster base plus MDLR 14U case with 1u row of Intellijel tiles will help solve that dilemma for a while :-)

Hi Lugia,
Thank you so very much for taking the time to answer my inquiry. You most definitely sound like you have some serious expertise in modular synth engineering & design for sure. Even though I have been involved in synthesizers since 1971 I tend to be more of an appliance operator rather than an engineer as I don’t have the academic background. Back in the day I used to occasionally hang out at Moog Music when they were on Academy Street in Williamsville, NY which was close to my home at the time and it was then that I purchased my 1st synth, a Moog Sonic-6. Over the course of time, I met Dr. Bob Moog, Dave VanKoevering, Dr. Tom Rhea and Tom Lamb who were some of the big dogs at Moog back then. Two years later my synth needed service so my Dad took it in for me as was stationed at Shaw AFB, Sc. It was then, my Dad was introduced to Keith Emerson who was at Moog doing some work with Bob Moog. My Dad told Emerson that his son (that would be me) was a huge fan and he was my inspiration. Emerson grabbed a mini Moog patch layout sheet and wrote a note to me and autographed it. Ok back to business. I will finish refining my System 55 and make it public. If you care to review it, I’d be very receptive to feedback & suggestions. The case I’m planning to use is a Pittsburgh Modular Structure EP-420 with 3 powered 140 hp rows of beautiful eurorack.
Best regards, Walt a/k/a Rockasaurus.

Hi Sacguy71,

Yes indeed, the Five12 - Vector seems to be the best choice so far, to me as well; pity it's so expensive together with that Jack expander...

Are you sure that's going to work the Novation Launchpad together with the Vector? That might be an interesting thought indeed!

I agree with most that you wrote except with this little tiny thingy... ;-)

"I would have room for plenty of support modules and..."

No matter how large your Eurorack case is, there is never really "plenty" of space ;-)

Kind regards, Garfield.

Ha, ha, good idea Troux :-)

Agreed @GarfieldModular, I think we need to move the Overton Window for long drones here on Modular Grid... 17 minutes or longer should be the new norm ;p

Hi Sacguy71,

Thank you very much for hinting out about the Aux output, I forgot a bit about that one, to be honest... will check that out.

Kind regards, Garfield.

Thanks Garfield,

Yeah I have been experimenting with various LFO waveforms on Pamela and also different Euclidian sequences to Plaits. SO fun!
I really like the vowel model on the Plaits to create different words as part of a tune. True- 8 are valid patch points but you can use the aux output as a S&H noise generator as well! I love running the aux out of Plaits to my Make Noise Mimeophon for a echo chamber surf white noise generator.

Hi Studio460,

Thanks a lot for the hint of E950 from Synthesis Technology, I will consider that one, sounds good from what you describe! I had actually the Emy in mind but will consider now the E950 instead.

Have fun with your studio and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Sacguy71,

Ha, ha, yeah right a 100 gate trigger, CV sequencer & CV voltage controller, now that would be something... however.... you need about 24 HP only for just those 100 outputs...

Around 4:45 you got a nice kind of clock-gong sound going! Interesting to use the Pamela New Workout as a sequencer!

About the Plaits, yes it has 10 patch points but two of them are outputs, so you "only" need 8 inputs from that mega-100-monster of CV controller of yours ;-)

Kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Garfield,

I watched some videos recently on using the 512 Vector and with expander it seems like the most complete sequencer out there now for modular world. Pair it with Novation Launchpad and you can a great performance setup. You can do a lot with it all types of random/reverse and various modes. It looks easy to use as well and crisp clear screen. If the new Erica Synths Black Sequencer and Endorphin.es Ground control are not out by mid next year, I probably will go with the Vector and Doepfer monster base case so I can stack my two Doepfer 6U cases on it and have 300HP of space. Even with the Vector/expander/Hexmixer, I would have room for plenty of support modules and a few more percussion modules, more FX unit, and few complex oscillators and filters. That would give me all needed for a polyphonic setup for live modular performance and recording while being portable. No rush, I spent a lot already this year on my first Eurorack builds and having fun with them learning to craft tones.

Hi Mowse,

Oh yes, niiiicccceeee lllloooonnnngggg (Model) [D]rone this is :-) Lovely, and then suddenly it came to an end... could have been double the length for me too :-)

Thanks a lot for sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Sacguy71,

Regarding the sequencer stuff, let's do the main talking in that sequencer posting :-)

Just quick on one the Drum Sequencer: first impression is good, I feel it's easy to use, but I need to spend more time to even better understand it (didn't really read much the manual yet, so still need to do that to discover all the options). I will put more information in the other (sequencer) post once ready.

Kind regards, Garfield.

Fun ambient jam with Pamela New Workout and Plaits

Who would have thought that a clock can be a sequencer and logic powerhouse in one module? Menu is easy and not hard to deal with. Easy to run out of 8 triggers though as Plaits has 10 patch points that can be modulated and sequenced and my other modules like BIA, Cursus Iteritas and Plonk each have 10-11 patch points each as well! I need a super 100 trigger patch bay sequencer! That is one thing the market needs a 100 gate trigger and CV sequencer/CV voltage controller !

Agree with troux on a function generator like Falistri or Maths would be a good addition. Take a look at Stages and Zadar

Muxlicer would be another good one

Hi Sacguy71,

ha, ha, yeah, all sequencers (that are interesting) together to "not need to decide which sequencer to take" is an option as well ;-) Expensive option though.

As mentioned already in another post but for completeness of this post regarding the Ground Control, my local dealer has now put the availability of this Ground Control towards mid February 2021... After one and a half years of waiting for the Ground Control, I had enough of it and I am going another road. Not sure which one yet but for the drum/percussion I got now the Drum Sequencer from Erica Synths. Didn't play much with it yet but so far the first impression is good. Easy to understand, easy to change things, so far it looks like a good choice.

Now I need to make up my mind for the "voice sequencer" that handles the voices, I am thinking of the Five12 - Vector + Jack expander. If the WMD - Metron had different direction running modes (which it doesn't have!) then I think I would go for the Metron but since it doesn't have that, I think it's going to be the Vector, but let's see. First I want to play a bit with the Drum Sequencer.

Good luck with your sequencer hunting :-) Kind regards, Garfield.

OK...let's see here...

CP8 = unnecessary. This is simply the power supply, and given that B. is working in Eurorack here, fitting a 1:1 for the CP8 would be pointless...and also, a real space-waste. Just use the B. CP-1A and feel the warm fuzzies that result from saving valuable panel space. Or, better still, if this is being built into B.'s 2 x 140 cabs, just use the onboard P/S.

CP3 = Behringer equivalent would be to pair the CP3A-0 and CP3A-M. This, however, is only a thing if you're opting to use the backside bussing for your control signals; if not, all you'll need is the mixer.

CP2 = No real substitute. The filters of the B. 923 would work here (albeit without the preset detented filter values...which, actually, is an improvement), and the rest of the module you REALLY want nothing to do with, as it's part of the original Moog "S-Trig" setup, and we don't use this because 1) it's Eurorack, and we don't use S-Trig there and 2) S-Trig SUUUUUUUUUUCKS!!!!! If you've ever used a modular Moog, it's the first thing you come to hate on the system, because if you put too much of a load on the S-Trig bus, the lack of input buffering will cause a voltage sag that'll have it triggering randomly and annoyingly. A hangover from the very beginnings of the Moog that almost no one adopted back then because the engineering shortcomings were even glaringly fubar in the 1960s. In fact, compare the Moog 961CP with the B. 961...the arrangement of V-Trig and S-Trig outputs is pretty much reversed, with the Moog having the ability to convert V-Trig to loads of S-Trig outs, and the B. doing the exact opposite, and that really only for a certain degree of "historical accuracy".

993 = Again, this has to do with the bussing system Moog used to "simplify" patching. In this case, it's a way to "backplane" the triggers and envelopes between a pair of EGs and the two VCAs. Not something essential, and in fact it's something potentially confusional. Frankly, the bussing on the expanded IIIc (the 55's predecessor) I've used in the past was something I found really pointless, as I prefer being able to patch ALL of the signals and not rely on "cheats".

EDITED Nov 14th 2020, 23:27

I like that idea. I originally wanted the WMD Arpitecht but it was out of stock. I was looking at the Blue Lantern CV Arpeggiator v3 as well. Can a person have too many arpeggiators? Thanks for the input!

I just received a Pittsburg Lifeforms Percussion Sequencer from @markylorenzen, Quick and easy, thanks. :) it was a pleasure!!

I just received a Pittsburg Modular SV-1b from @sambal, Quick and easy, thanks. :) it was a pleasure!!

I have been watching videos on Vector, WMD Metron and Eloquencer. Vector with the expander looks super awesome and with launchpad a winner. For pure beats, WMD Metron looks like the best. Especially when you add the Voltera and Arpitect quantizer and CV expander a real joy as it has touch pad buttoms to see all 4 channels at one place. Eloquencer looks cool but more menu diving. Ideally, I would love all three of these sequencers with expanders in a very large setup especially with ACL Sinfonion! But that would require two Doepfer Monster cases with bases and more complex oscillators and a lot of cash.

My thoughts were expanding on from the 2hp ARP. I see the Midi tile so I am not sure how much sequencing you are doing externally, but the WMD Arpitecht might compliment the Chainsaw and Ensemble nicely. Should be a quick fun way to get some really nice sounding sequences. The ALM Beast's Chalkboard would also work well in having differing octaves across oscillators. The ALM Boss Bow Two would be a good addition to triggers to form complex rhythms based on the initial arpeggio(also for CV)

I think all of these are too big for my purposes, although the CV normalisation of Quad VCA is very interesting. Happy Nerding 3xVCA or new Mutable Veils are contenders, but I may just go for a 2hp to keep things small.

I bought the Javelin on the recommendation of a friend because it packs a lot of value into relatively small package. It hasn't disappointed. The Red Dragon is a blast. At first I wasn't sure about it because it can screech and scream seemingly beyond control. Once I learned to tame it a bit I fell in love with it. The bubbly, warbly sounds it puts out are magic. It's now one of my favorite modules in the rack. Thanks for the input. I've had my eye on Maths for a while.