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Why? It's usually considered to be a waste of money re-housing semi-modulars in eurorack cases - you are paying twice for both case and power!!! which is something you already paid for when you bought them

That´s true, I never wanted to be into modular, but when the QS arrived I saw that it lacks a power switch and that made me start to think about having both in a case, maybe it´s not the best idea as you say.

you will need a power supply - this one is designed to connect to a busboard so you would need one of those as well - see the description of the module - there are others designed to use flying busboards (ribbon cables with headers on them) but these can potentially introduce noise - but rack warts (power modules) take space in your case which is better used for actual modules - so cases with power inlets mounted elsewhere are preferable

do you need an output module? maybe - what are you considering sending the output to?

I barely understand the module descriptions, that´s another reason why maybe I shouldn´t do it. I thought an output could be nice to have a quick control over their output levels.

Hi,

I´m thinking about racking my DFAM and Quadrantid Swarm but I know nothing about Eurorack.

Why? It's usually considered to be a waste of money re-housing semi-modulars in eurorack cases - you are paying twice for both case and power!!! which is something you already paid for when you bought them

• I think I´d need a power module and an output module, will these work?

you will need a power supply - this one is designed to connect to a busboard so you would need one of those as well - see the description of the module - there are others designed to use flying busboards (ribbon cables with headers on them) but these can potentially introduce noise - but rack warts (power modules) take space in your case which is better used for actual modules - so cases with power inlets mounted elsewhere are preferable

do you need an output module? maybe - what are you considering sending the output to?

• Do I have to take anything in mind?

you will want more modules sooner or later - at the very least an appropriate end of chain mixer, some extra modulation, effects and utilities will probably be handy too

• Which other modules would be a good complement for this setup?

see above

• How can I find an angled case for this? I can´t find any...

the tiptop mantis is a very popular case that is angled and is one of the better cases in terms of size/cost/power & manufacturer reputation - and is often recommended to beginners as it's not that big but will allow room for expansion and is quite portable

Thanks!

and now with the actual link!!!

Hi,

I´m thinking about racking my DFAM and Quadrantid Swarm but I know nothing about Eurorack. Please help me with this questions:

• I think I´d need a power module and an output module, will these work?
• Do I have to take anything in mind?
• Which other modules would be a good complement for this setup?
• How can I find an angled case for this? I can´t find any...

Thanks!

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2210452.jpg

EDITED Mar 27th 2023, 11:47

Realy nice Raaf love the way you incorporated those bird sounds!

Hey community, sorry, this one is for the french speakers.
J'ai traduit le manuel du 6equencer en français, c'est quasi un clone (nombre de pages, design etc..)
téléchargement : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NqzEDlsKhF8lzIYv6qNmLoa55v-M44uy/view?usp=share_link

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Hey community, sorry, this one is for the french speakers.
J'ai traduit le manuel de Pizza en français, c'est quasi un clone (nombre de pages, design etc..)
téléchargement : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eDDjbUD39TAy15b-Yb4yKkUNLM1akUqH/view?usp=share_link

Hey community, sorry, this one is for the french speakers.
J'ai traduit le manuel du Chord en français, c'est quasi un clone (nombre de pages, design etc..)
téléchargement : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g07wGGH34bTC98qzAGhGTkaIhVvBbR8u/view?usp=share_link

Hey community, sorry, this one is for the french speakers.
J'ai traduit le manuel du Data Bender en français, c'est quasi un clone (nombre de pages, design etc..)
téléchargement : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Mhk6q-eScDqhVR0hRn7fwoWyB2gFNvw0/view?usp=share_link

If you're in Europe and don't mind a silver faceplate, SchneidersLaden is currently offering a 9.71% discount on this ‘paleface’ version.
(A piece of information that will probably conjure up things for @wishbonebrewery ;)
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/forum/posts/index/12056

I find mine really useful, great for little Acid lines when you get the envelop-out so you can tweak the filter along with adding an Accent pattern, works from triggers or CV as a standard VCA too.

Not quite Javelin, but check Patching Panda's Punch.
-- wishbonebrewery

Great idea, thanks!

Not quite Javelin, but check Patching Panda's Punch.

Looking for a good envelope like javelin with an accent in and a VCA.

EDITED Mar 26th 2023, 21:03

Vector-Wave synth kit from RYK Modular build and demo.
This is an all-in-one synth module with VCOs, LFOs, envelopes, filters, MIDI mods, and so on. A very deep unit, you should probably check their demo video after mine if you like it.
Not the easiest build. While all the surface mount parts are already installed, the solder pads for the LED matrix, jacks and buttons are VERY close to the surface mount parts, you need to be VERY careful with your soldering to not touch or short to those. The unit would benefit from more space.
Powerful unit as an all-in-one.

Build

So, if I understood correctly, through a power supply it is not possible that the AC current arrives inside the case?

most cases are DC powered - similar to a laptop - in fact some power supplies actually use laptop bricks for converting AC mains power to DC +/- 12v and +5v

some such as doepfer are mains AC powered (using a 'kettle lead' for example - like a lot of synthesizers)

a few use AC converters to supply 12-15v AC (most likely with eurorack 12v to an internal power supply which will convert to +/-12v and possibly 5v) - as far as I know the only ones that do this are some Frequenct Central supplies)

For sure, tubes are more dangerous, but I don't plan to buy modules with tubes insides

usually the tubes won't be on the inside, they'll be on the outside - to show off... not many modules use regular tubes though! I suspect the newer korg nano-tubes are less dangerous - but probably better safe than sorry!

so is your idea to use this for processing an acoustic drum kit?

I think it might be a good idea to start with a single channel, add some effects and then add channels...

so there seems to be stuff missing - filters, effects, modulation sources, utilities that are needed to get the best out of them...

take a look at my signature - substitute mic input for sound source and spend a decent amount of time thinking long and hard about it...

also spend at least the same time thinking about using a regular outboard mixer and some effects pedals and or rack effects... or a multi-channel audio interface and a laptop - both will get you most of the way to where you appear to want to go for a lot less money...

Left to Right :

Input Module Befaco Insrtument Interface V2
- is a v fleshed out interface module, Phantom Pwr for Mics, Sliders for attack and decay of envelope follower, gain, threshold for triggering envelope, inverted envelope out, its a little pricy but FULLY featured. it will be vital to getting CV signals out from drum hits and audio in from Mics.
So
IF
you want to have acoustic drums mixed into FX (delay, filter, phaser, bitcrush etc) AND have said mic's signal produce a Controlled Voltage Envelope, which can then be used to modulate a desiered parameter in the system then this module will be the gate way. So just 1 to start, 3 at fin? good to keep that in mind, 2 def, but three depends on goal and level of dependance on external mic for system control.

Next UP:

Ya Boi Sound Scraper,
It takes 5v so you NEED TO READ UP ON 5V AND DOEPFER A100 5V CONVERTER, but he wild so net to him is a filter to tame, Envelope, trig rev env from Beface InputV2 can be used to treat sound scraper as an instrument struk from befaco which in turn has been struk from Mic which was presumably struck by you. Again just pointing out this direction is SANS sequencer, as you and the striking and mics are all apart of using the synth. aside from Sound scraper Droning and filtering, LFO madness, etc.

EDITED Mar 25th 2023, 20:34

My new jam is online. I used a fieldrecording of jackdaws made by a good friend as the basis and inspiration for this jam. I hope you will enjoy it!

So even if there were some leakage the amount of voltage to start with is so low that I doubt there would be an appreciable risk.

So, if I understood correctly, through a power supply it is not possible that the AC current arrives inside the case?

The best way to reduce the risk of any sort of leakage current would be to use a metal case and make sure the case is grounded. The location of the power supply (internal or external) shouldn't matter so long as it is properly grounded. And as a general rule, don't cheap out on the power supply.

There is a good centralized and certified grounding system in the building where I live

The one exception you might want to be careful about are modules involving tubes. Some tubes involve quite high voltages, sometimes a few hundred volts, and that is obviously a greater risk.

For sure, tubes are more dangerous, but I don't plan to buy modules with tubes insides

Thanks Replicant!

Hi,

I have the same problem here with a combo of 2 6u rackbrute. Did you solve your problem ?

Thanks,

I am a happy owner of this very cool Aikido master. Here a few creative patches :

Another patch test from my lil' rack ... I've been putting everything thru their paces, doing deep dives into manuals, finding sweet interactions between units, and generally building up a personal toolbox of patching skills from scratch.

Here's what things are sounding like after 6-8 weeks of euroracking:

https://on.soundcloud.com/Jsq4M

First half is just a jaunty jam, second half cranks up the 266t for some stop-and-start drum stuff.

Bass drum is from the Dixie II+, high hat and snares I'm pulling from the white noise output of the 266t (multed).

Plaits as main synth voice.

I always welcome constructive criticism, lay it on me! :)

Thanks so much for reading, looking, listening, & and feedback!

EDITED Mar 24th 2023, 18:43

Thanks for sharing! :)

I personally really enjoy the visuals to your videos. :)

I don't feel they distract from the music at all. In fact, in the second video's case, I'd argue it adds to the music.

Good work!

Smart communication and fine transaction with @Marb
Recommended Seller.

The first track: a lovely hazy, minimalist ballad.
The second (my favourite): a static contemplation with very interesting, dusty and grating sounds. However I ended up listening to it without watching the video too tiring to my eyes.

Both pieces are like little sound paintings. Hence this recurring question, and which is asked in general. Doesn't the image harm the music a bit too much these days? I think it prevents us from seeing what the sound, the music, is telling us... and it leads the ear to become lazy.

As I recently wrote in Mod Wiggler: ‘I am not afraid of YouTube images but of the laziness of the public’.

My reflection should not make us forget that you have done a good job :)

Good communication, tracked shipping and good packaging from @thepinkgrapefruit.

A few things that you might consider:

1. Are you using the same module and/or audio output jacks when using either the monitors or headphones? If different, then perhaps it could be the module or specific jack being used for headphones. Some modules are just noisier than others, and unfortunately jacks can get worn out or damaged too.
2. Is the same thing happening with different headphones? I recently had a noise issue with a pair of headphones, and then discovered that the 3.5mm to 1/4" adapter I was using on the headphone cable simply wasn't attached properly. My own fault, in other words.
3. You could try using a linear power conditioner to reduce the noise.
4. Do your bus boards have noise filtering circuits built into them?

Some of those may be less expensive to try out in comparison to replacing the power supply.

If you determine that it isn't the output module/jack or a specific pair of headphones, I would look into getting a power conditioner first, as that will probably be useful to have around at some point, even if it doesn't solve this particular noise problem. Intuitively, I also think that using a linear power conditioner would produce a similar result to switching to a linear PSU, but admittedly, I'm not an expert on these things by any means, and I very well could be wrong about that assumption.

Noise filtering bus boards would probably be less expensive than a new power supply, but also wouldn't necessarily fix the problem. I would recommend looking into getting some of those (if you aren't already using some with the power supply in question) if you think that a particular module is producing the noise or causing interference with other modules on the same power supply.

I don't have any experience with Meanwell power supplies, so I can't comment on any particularities of those.

I hope that some of that might help!

I'm not sure it's accurate to call this a bug, but it is an error.

The Doepfer A-135-4A mixer requires the A-135-4B control panel. In fact they are sold together as a pair. However, each one shows as full price. So if you put both units in a rack the price ends up being counted twice.

Howdy everyone, new user here.
I do not have any specific knowledge of pacemakers but I do have electrical engineering experience. In my opinion the risk of harm from things like AC leakage, RF or magnetic interference, etc, from Modular is extremely low compared to the average home appliance. AC leakage, when present, is a percentage of the working voltage of a circuit. The voltages in modular are very low, no more than 15 volts and commonly only +/- 5V. So even if there were some leakage the amount of voltage to start with is so low that I doubt there would be an appreciable risk. You being around something as mundane as the 120V AC wiring in the walls or an extension cord exposes you to stronger magnetic fields than a modular rack running on 12V DC and pushing tiny audio signals around. People play electric guitars with pacemakers, and that involves holding the strings and the pickups right next to your chest while you touch the metal strings and that is generally regarded as safe.

The best way to reduce the risk of any sort of leakage current would be to use a metal case and make sure the case is grounded. The location of the power supply (internal or external) shouldn't matter so long as it is properly grounded. And as a general rule, don't cheap out on the power supply.

The one exception you might want to be careful about are modules involving tubes. Some tubes involve quite high voltages, sometimes a few hundred volts, and that is obviously a greater risk.

I seem to love to pair up these two. Here's a couple of recent instances featuring the RYK Vector Wave and the Resonator algorithm on the Disting Ex. Some patch info in the video descriptions. Thank you for watching.

Lately I tried out a Sovage Engineering Faille Temporelle, and while being also a very cool analog-ish delay with plenty of distortion available on tap, I missed a bit the ability to tap tempo and stereo i/o. Yester kind of cover the stuff I liked on the Faille Temporelle, it is less wild and but more controllable/predictable.
When compared to the Melotus and Imitor, Yester is very straight forward to use (I always had a bit on a headache to understand how MV and IV work, and how to use these for more conventional delay duties). Electus is also amazing and huge sounding, but it still has the tendency to go into reverb, since the base DNA is from the Desmodus.

The only things I would like to be different on YV are (but I close an eye about these):
- capability to self-oscillate (it does a tiny bit with the right settings, but it's not wild as a BBD delay)
- the Wavefold-distortion placed after the filter Tone. It can be a bit harsh sometimes.

Hey!

I have noise problems in my rack. It's okay on studio monitors, but I hear that hum when using headphones. I have a cheap PSU now - Meanwell RT65B x2 - and decent bus boards.
Will a PSU upgrade change something? I was considering the Doepfer A-100PSU3 linear PSU. Any experiences?

My Rack:

Great find, and great demo! I have 2 Versios but I'm really stuck on the Electus firmware. I tried most others and Ruina is nice but gets little use after I got my first tube overdrive (Frequency Central Thermo Nuclear). I recently tried Desmodus again and was quite disappointed. This one sounds like a great addition to the Versio series.

Thank you very much Cédric,

Very kind of you to have taken the time to detail all this.

I am actually using a Mimetic Digitalis (with Lapsus OS) and really like it.
Hoping for a Voltage Block to restock as it is impossible to find one.
Really appreciate all the tips as I am only starting with modular.
Having a blast :)

Best,
Olivier

You're welcome !

The exact connection would be :
Sub out > VCA signal in
EG out > VCA CV in
VCA signal out > mixer

(You Can also find EG with integrated VCAS, like WMD Javelin, Cosmotronic Delta V, or the latest 4ms that looks dope !!)

You'll also need a trigger or a gate to start the enveloppe.

The role of the function generator here is to modulate the amplification of the audio signal going into the VCA.
Imagine a volume curve if you like.
Once the enveloppe is not triggered (sequencer stopped) your volume will stay to zero.
It's also interresting to put a low pass filter (vcf) between VCA and mixer.
Then you can modulate the filter with the same enveloppe (with a multiple) to give more dynamics to your bass sound ! :)

Hope it's clear, it's one of the tricks, but some folks here could give you many others.
I'm not a modular expert :)

I highly recommand voltage block ! ^^
Mimetic Digitalis is a very good option too, in reduced spaces.

Best,
Cédric

Hi Cédric,

Thanks a lot for your help. I was expecting it to be this.

When you say "You have to pass it thru an enveloppe + VCA combo", could you detail the actual connection?
Should I just output the sub OUT to an EG (I have a pip slope mk2 at the moment) through its gate or trigger?
And then to the VCA?

Thank you very much for the help, much appreciated.

Had a glance at your 416 rack and there is a lot of the same I am looking at (Voltage Block for instance).

Best,
Olivier

Hi,
Sounds like a normal behaviour for me.
The sub out of the Osiris acts like a classic VCO and not like a synth voice : it's playing the sound continuously and is not affected by the decay knob.

You have to pass it thru an enveloppe + VCA combo.

Cheers,
Cédric

Hi all,

Second post here.

Just a question as stated above. I have contacted ModBap weeks ago but no answer from them. Maybe someone knows.

Here it is: while using the 2 separate outputs on the Osiris, (one for the voice and the other for the sub OSC), I get a non stop sub out even when stopping my sequencer. Output is connected to a separate input on my mixer (4ms Listen4). I do understand that the sub out gives a full volume, which is not a problem as I can tame it down with the mixer.

The weird thing is that when I hit stop on my sequencer, the sub out keeps delivering its full volume out. It will only stop on a double press on stop on the sequencer. MORE: when double pressing stop on the sequencer, I still get a signal (audio?) coming on my mixer (4ms Listen4). I do not hear anything but it looks like something is still coming out. Confirmed by the fact that I get the same visual signal on the A/B inputs on my Octatrack. Same as the 4ms mixer.

Any idea?

Thanks for any hint in advance, much appreciated as ever,
Olivier

Thanks a lot for the help, really much appreciated.
I will make some tests and get back here if it can help anybody :)
Best,
Olivier

Released our fifth album today,
Our first that is completely composed in the modular.
there is no multitracking, external hardware or effects.

This is a live recording of a gig from February.
AMA, thanks for listening.

This popped out yesterday on Noise Engineering, and so far I love it!
I always enjoyed the Versio platform, and Desmodus and Electus were my main firmwares to go. But I hoped NE would come up with a more straight forward delay, not as peculiar as Melotus or Imitor, and less reverb-oriented as Desmodus and Electus.
Finally they did it!
For me it's a best of most features I loved in the Versio delays, and it is capable of some brutal, massive sounds!

EDITED Mar 22nd 2023, 10:58

...So that would mean I can send a velocity (cv, not trigger) message to the trigger input?
-- Loersatz

Hi,
I dont know the specific modules you are using. But maybe my (pretty short) experience with modular is helpful:

The trigger inputs on my modules mainly reacts when there is a voltage rise within a very short time in the input signal (RISE).
I can imagine that there are also trigger inputs that reacts to fast voltage drops as well (FALL).

All my sequencers that produces gate & pitch/CV have one thing in common:
The voltage of the pitch/CV output stays at the last sent value until the next gate with a different value is fired.
So the pitch/CV does not go back to zero volts after the step!
But the voltage of the gate-out goes always back to zero (time depends on gate length).

With that in mind you can try the following to produce gates that has different voltages and also jump back to zero volts after trigger.

route the pitch/CV signal of your sequencer through a VCA
use the the gate signal of your sequencer to control the VCA
plug the output of the VCA into the "dynamic trigger input" of your module.
pretty sure it will work!?

EDITED Mar 22nd 2023, 07:12

since you already have marbles, try creating some short looping sequences with deja vu and use that to control params on the BS. If you use the same clock for both you can get a lot of variation in your sequences. just by way of example, i currently use a Marbles and an XAOC Moskwa II (with expander). I send the Moskwa clock out to marbles, and then the X outs back to Moskwa to manipulate transposition, random amount, overall pitch range, etc.

to a large extent any other sequencer will complement the BS... I have Marbles, step fader, BSP etc etc as well as a BS

things that are really helpful in this are precision adders (maybe a multi-channel one) so that you can transpose sequences (can't remember if you can do this straight into the BS)

a second or subsequent sequencer can be used as a sequenced modulation source as well as more sequenced pitch (if/when you have enough voices)

a cv addressable quantizer can also be used to alter sequences - again multi-channel is useful here

I use a sinfonion as a chord pattern sequencer and multi-channel quantizer (and arpeggiator) and I use a second sequencer (the BSP) to change chord patterns - which I clock from the sinfonion (a gate out on the last bar of each pattern) which means it advances very slowly and can be used to change other things - via a switch for example

My new video is online. It’s a melodic ambient jam. I hope you will enjoy it!

-- Raaf

Love it! Thank you for sharing, eagerly awaiting the next one! :)

Hi,

I am using a Torso T-1 to sequence this module and I know I have the option to send cv with pitch OR velocity but I cannot get my head around as to how send various levels of velocity (I can do that on T-1 no problem with as it has a dedicated knob for this function).
When you say "you will need a sequential that has a velocity parameter" it refers to that?
The truth is that I don't know that sequencer, nor how it transmits the different parameters to the modular system. In that I can't help you.
Now, "modulate the trigger before entering into the SY0.5" in the trigger input or pitch?
The triggers can be modulated, you can get a 0 to 5V trigger from a 0 to 10V trigger.
CV actually stands for Voltage Control, and a trigger would be a type of CV, specifically a square waveform with a very small amplitude. This is why you can use a square wave LFO, for example, to trigger a drum module.
Really sorry if my question seems stupid but as I said, I am only starting.
Thanks a lot to both of you.
Olivier

Hi,
I imagine that they refer to the Trigger input, I see that it responds to different levels of the trigger, so the higher the peak voltage of the trigger, the greater the response of the internal VCA.
Other modules respond the same to a 6V trigger as to a 8V trigger or a 10V trigger. In this case, it appears that the trigger directly drives an internal VCA, so it is sensitive to the trigger voltage.
To take advantage of this you will need a sequential that has a velocity parameter or modulate the trigger before entering into the SY0.5.
Best regards,
-- ferranadsr

-- Loersatz