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https://www.modulargrid.net/e/patches/view/98971

I've got a brewery gig this week,
this is the rack and patch I have set up for the show

The 4MS is set as my bass voice,

Rings is in duophonic sympathetic strings mode for most tracks, mono modal for a couple

Plaits is set as a kick for most tracks, and as a snare for others

two trigger tracks are turned into additional percussion

Beads as ambient shimmer.

EDITED Dec 6th 2022, 16:42

I thought about it and I will follow your advice. I will add the matrix mixer and the Morph 4. Do you know if with the matrix mixer I can patch my eurorack system with external effects? With the Lyra 8 for example.

If it's possible, put the 1u row as the middle row - so much more useful for cable routing.

Thank you! That's helpful.

Hi,
2HP modules.
They are a good option for small spaces, but do not put them together, it becomes impossible to control the knobs.
BR

Thanks for the feedback everyone!

Hi,
At first I would add some VCA's and a mixer for the different voices. Maybe also an attenuverter to mix/manipulate the different CV's.
BR

Definitely. I intended to use veils as a mixer but as we know we never have too many vca's. I will update this.
Yes, Veils is a mixer, yes, but if you use it to control the sound output of the different voices, you lose its functionality as a VCA and modulation source. For Audio I recommend a mixer dedicated to it, with its mutes, pan controls, its main output and its headphone connection, your neighbors and family will thank you.
-- Oroboros
Yes, Veils is a mixer, yes, but if you use it to control the sound output for the different voices, you lose its functionality as a VCA and modulation source. For Audio I recommend a mixer dedicated to it, with its mutes, pan controls, its main output and its headphone connection, your neighbors and family will thank you.
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/tesseract-modular-tex-mix-4-mono-channels
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/tesseract-modular-tex-mix-master-section
I have it installed, but it's my personal choice, good price, but there are many more options.
BR

Hey everyone,

I'm new to modular and after some research this is what I've come up with. My goal is something well rounded with lots of different possibilities, but leaning towards ambient, generative soundscapes. I'm thinking about using it mostly by itself and recording stuff into a DAW. My idea for a case is a Intellijel 7u.

Your feedback would be really appreciated.

Thanks!

//Herman

EDITED Dec 7th 2022, 01:03

Stack cables -> plaits model = polyphonic

Yes you’re right ! Ultimate layout is not really defined yet. First I have to wait for some modules to be offered in the second-hand listings. I hope that in early January some users might sell some stuff after they purchased some new modules for christmas.

Once I have gathered everything I’ll try to organise three vertical « zones » corresponding to my three use-cases (guitar effects / ambiant / techno). Hopefully to keep cables as short as possible. I hope I’ll be able to avoid patching some stuff on the far-left to modules on the far-right.
I’ll start with trying to follow the sound path. Voices on the left, then enveloppe, filters in the middle and finally effects on the right. Mixer might be around the center, closer to the effects. I’ll see what is usable once I have defined how my favorite patches work. I enjoy reorganizing my rack so it is not a problem to go through a couple of organisation mayhem.

I really love the idea of having everything in a single case, being powered by a single cable. This makes storage very convenient as I will have to store it under a desk most of the time when I’m not using it.
I will not travel with the rack that much. Sometimes from my home to a studio, but I plan to get a massive backpack to be able to carry the rack from time to time. If I see that life evolves and that I am carrying it much more than expected, I do not think I’ll need to carry all these modules and I’ll eventually split the rack. I’ll get a smaller case in which only the modules I need to carry will fit.

I think I’ll start by finding the best spot for the modules that need to be used hands-on.
Black Sequencer will go in the low row, probably in the middle and I’ll try to fit a module too it’s right side that do not has not too much cables, allowing an easy access to the sequencers knobs. The Malekko Voltage Block might be a good neighbor to the Sequencer.
The Sewastopol II will go in the bottom right corner to avoid having a stiff guitar jack crossing the path with other modules.

Others need to be figured out in the case I guess….! I really look forward to these moments.

Error : Double post

EDITED Dec 6th 2022, 01:32

I'm not a big rack kinda guy, like to move around too much, but it looks pretty heckin' fun to me. If I'm understanding you right, this is not how its going to look in the end, you just laid it out like this to group by function. What's the ultimate layout going to look like?

Thanks for the feedback everyone!

Hi,
At first I would add some VCA's and a mixer for the different voices. Maybe also an attenuverter to mix/manipulate the different CV's.
BR
-- ferranadsr

Definitely. I intended to use veils as a mixer but as we know we never have too many vca's. I will update this.

why scales when the output of the moskwa is already quantized?

2 large filters but a shrunken plaits?

are you intending to sequence the poly cinematic using midi from the mpc? if not, I would want a sequencer with many more channels - at least 2 for this (on top of at least 1 other - for the t-sl and beehive) - root note and chord type will want to be sequenced

Very good observations. I'm using a keystep pro as well for the sequencing. Also, Moskwha is also a sequencer so I believed that my bases were covered with the mpc added to that mix. The Large filters can also be used as oscillators and voices and I wanted at least 2 and wanted them to be fully cv controllable with Q parameters so I believed it justified the hp's.

As for scales, I wanted to be able to generate more than 1 melodic pattern using cv's from the different sources. That being said I agree that it might be overkill. Mokswa might be able to handle it all but I didn't want the sequencer aspect of Mokswa to be tied with scaling if I wanted to use it as a sequencer for something else but I might be wrong. It was definitely the module I might have gone without so removing it to make space for some attenuverters/vca's as everyone suggested would make sense.

Get ready for your mind to be blown.

Check out the ES9 (or another class compliant audio interface) to use with the MPC Live 2.

Excellent suggestion, I did consider the ES-9, It is amazing. The Morphagene is definitely one of the reasons I want a line in but its definitely way too costly for my needs at the moment. I might go that way in the future but for now being able to sent stuff in and out the rack line/rack levels is perfectly fine.

EDITED Dec 6th 2022, 04:28

Get ready for your mind to be blown.

Check out the ES9 (or another class compliant audio interface) to use with the MPC Live 2.

https://www.modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=263482

below is copy-paster from OP (Crevice) on the Modwiggler thread:

• The MPC one as a mixer for all ES9 inputs, with volume control, mute, pan, and effects. You can can control the volume with the qlinks, add effects, compression, etc. Similar to aum on the iPad, but with physical controls and knobs.

• Record your live jams, with individual tracks for each input. Then use the MPC export function to send stems to your daw for further mixing.

• Send 8 separate outputs of the MPC One to the ES9 outputs and then patch those to various modules, I love sending samples to morphagene, beads, Panharmonium, etc. Also, it's very fun to use the splice functionality and send splice samples into morphagene and create reals.

• The obvious one, but sample all of your various es-9 inputs, chop em up, mangle them, and then send them back to your modular world for effects. All over 1 single USB cable.

It really works amazing as a little brain to feed audio to your modular setup and accept audio from it, without needing a computer. Also they added some good piano and string plugins, so I've been recording loops with those and sending to my modular effects as well via the ES9.

EDITED Dec 5th 2022, 19:15

Big shout to @rossominerale for a good trade. Packaged a module with love and despatched pronto. He kept me informed and kept his word.

a filter will filter any audio signal

the only thing to watch out for is that most non-modular signals will be significantly quieter than modular level - so you will want to amplify the input signal - there are dedicated input modules available or you could use a vca that catually amplifies the input - such as veils (or a clone as it is discontinued) which has over 20dB gain available per channel...

nb most vcas don't increase gain - so make sure if you go the vca route that you find one that has ample gain available
-- JimHowell1970

Thank you very much! I have an input module ready to boost my signals thank you much appreciated!

a filter will filter any audio signal

the only thing to watch out for is that most non-modular signals will be significantly quieter than modular level - so you will want to amplify the input signal - there are dedicated input modules available or you could use a vca that catually amplifies the input - such as veils (or a clone as it is discontinued) which has over 20dB gain available per channel...

nb most vcas don't increase gain - so make sure if you go the vca route that you find one that has ample gain available

EDITED Dec 5th 2022, 12:44

why scales when the output of the moskwa is already quantized?

2 large filters but a shrunken plaits?

are you intending to sequence the poly cinematic using midi from the mpc? if not, I would want a sequencer with many more channels - at least 2 for this (on top of at least 1 other - for the t-sl and beehive) - root note and chord type will want to be sequenced

I'd definitely want more mixing (as suggested by @farranadsr) including mono (with panning) and stereo inputs and a stereo output (preferably one that can be limited to 'line level-ish' to avoif the i/o module (veils has enough gain if you need an input) but I'd also suggest that 2 voices (vco + filtter) is too many for this case and that realistically 2 + support modules (envelopes/vcas/mixing/logic/slew/attanuation/etc etc) I'd also want to leave space for more vcas - once you realise they can be incredibly useful for modulation as well as audio you will want more of them

Hi,
At first I would add some VCA's and a mixer for the different voices. Maybe also an attenuverter to mix/manipulate the different CV's.
BR

Hello, im considering buying a System 80 jove filter but I need to know if can filter audio signals that arent from an analog synth, like a drum machine or audio from my mixer. I am making dub reaggae and I was looking for a filter that had both hpf and lpf so I could use the auxillary sends on my mixer to filter guitar and drums ect. But i could not find any video or comment anywhere of anyone ever using it to filter anything but the signal from a synth.

I found that the vintage synth lab vcf-74 has everything I need hpf and lpf and can definetly handle signals from other sources but they seem like they're hard to come by.

Any help much apreciated

Wanted to go dawless.
This rack is meant to go with a MPC live 2 and take advantage of the sampler/sequencer/Drum machine/cv generator/vst synth/etc. Hence the need for a line in and out and the absence of sequencers.
There is also a keystep pro to compliment this build and sequence some more.

EDITED Dec 5th 2022, 05:35

someone sell theirs to me!!!

It’s awesome because I can capture modular stems and tweak them later in the DAW on my computer without breaking my enjoyment of patching.

Very cool. I've never used anything from 1010 Music, but I've definitely seen that people love them. I'm currently running my rack into a DAW. I find that the ability to record has definitely made me rethink my approach to patching. In fact, it's one of the things that made me curious to ask this question. Since I can basically record everything now, each patch feels like it has a million different subtle variations and each one has a chance to be that happy little accident I'm looking for. Typically, I just end up with multiple hours of meh, but hey, there's a few good samples here and there. But it's become a struggle between teasing out each variation versus just making a new patch and starting fresh, which I expect is a common experience here. Not sure when I'm chasing something that will be great versus chasing a diminishing return.

I definitely appreciate the wide spectrum of responses I've gotten so far, it's really interesting to hear all the different approaches.

the fair price is what you are prepared to pay for it

some modules are normally scarce (not just because of the current ongoing global) situation - this is one of them

ie demand outstrips supply and therefore used modules command a premium

if you only want to pay retail find a dealer that will take pre-orders or contact the manufacturer and have patience, lots of patience...

too many sound sources in too small a rack (I'd say 1 is ideal in this size case - not 4) - not enough utility etc modules to support them adequately

potentially massive overlap with O&C/alan/pams - all can do turing thing type stuff - personally with multiple sound sources I would just go for a Marbles (or clone ALA are doing a full size one) as this will provide up to 3 quantized loopable random pitch sources (and related gates plus a random source for modulation)

to me the mixing solution seems poor... most people seem to want to use plaits and rings (resonate) as stereo sound sources - whilst the only real mixer is the quad vca - which doesn't have enough inputs to handle all the outputs and whilst it could be used for stereo mixing - would limit you to just mixing rings and plaits - and you would have no mixer channels for the mono sources or for sub-mixing - and no vca channels left over for modulation

I'd want more filters and more effects at the least reverb and delay too

I'd probably go for a larger case to accommodate - these changes - for me it would be a tiptop mantis, but that would loose the 1u and the built in functionality (which is to some extent useful, if you want that functionality - but I never have) and even then I'd only be looking to put 2 (or at a push 3 voices) in

not as far as I know - iirc you don't actually need to sign up to paypal - you can just use it to process a card payment

Hi,

Want to get an er-301 but the prices are a lot higher than retail. Is it always have been like this?
So, what was a fair price if we don't get one at drop? and now what is the fair price?

Thanks !

Is there another way to pay for a Unicorn Account without using Paypal?

Cheers

For the folks who have bought or are planning to buy a Case from Lake case, did you spend the extra money to get Doepfer PSUs? Anyone get the Meanwells? Any issues with those?

I keep hearing hints that there could be problems with the MWs, but I haven’t heard any specifics directly from a person who had a bad experience. And what kind of issues are we talking about? Noise? Modules not behaving correctly? I guess any kind of issue like that is going to be unacceptable.

EDITED Dec 5th 2022, 01:19

please post a link to your actual rack (ie the url) and not just to an image - this really helps us help you!!!! you will need to make the rack public...

I'd have done it for you if your rack was public!
-- JimHowell1970

Alright, I made it public!

EDITED Dec 4th 2022, 17:29

please post a link to your actual rack (ie the url) and not just to an image - this really helps us help you!!!! you will need to make the rack public...

I'd have done it for you if your rack was public!

Hey there,
Im starting out with Eurorack just to jam on my own and have a little bit of fun!
Can I please get some feedback and opinions on what to get?
This is my first "prototype" right now.

EDITED Dec 4th 2022, 17:27

Of course! Have fun!

I think the manhattan modular MVP has a lot of utilities built into one.

Also a Matrix Mixer would be a great addition, and give you a lot of feedback patching opportunities, something like the 4ms vca matrix, which will also take care of a lot of VCAs

I would also highly recommend the Joranalogue Morph 4. It just seems like a keyframer/crossfader but when you get in deep it becomes way more than the sum of it's parts.

Look into logic gates as well.

If you're new this all may seem boring but I assure you, utilities are actually the stars of the show.

there's no reason why you can't just design a sticker graphic and use that module's pcb and attach it to the prism system. or you could just build a simple external matrix mixer. My favorite part about the prism circuits mixer is the feedback patching options you have fwiw.

What is the purpose of this instrument?

That's actually a really good question. I want to do many different things:
1. Just jamming on my own, make the occasional recording to share with my buddies. Not actual producing.
2. Have something flexible I can bring to jamming weekends with my friends who own a slew of semi-modulars and drum machines.
3. At some point maybe use it as a development platform of my own modules.

What kind of sounds are you hoping to make, and for what style of music? This looks like a basic subtractive synth, and you could accomplish the same thing, with more features and less cost, using a semi-modular. You could integrate it with other cases later.

Mostly acid/techno/breakbeat/electro. Occasionally a whiff of hardcore. I like a gritty analog sound. I realized at some point that this setup shares quite a lot of features with the Behringer semi-mods (D/Pro-1/Neutron), but they are all monophonic so for instance not suitable to reconfigure as a basic drum machine because their OSCs are tied up. Then again, the setup above could not never be enough to make even the most minimal acid, so perhaps it would be a better idea to for instance start out with a second-hand Neutron and spend money well on a decent CV/audio interface like ES-8/9 and build out from there.

Are you buying all behringer just for cost reasons, or do you really love behringer that much? (not hating, I love behringer and don'tcare who knows it) 84hp isnt a lot of space and there are plenty of other low cost alternatives that wont eat up so much hp. It's good to budget, but you get what you pay for. (not a dig at behringers quality) Sure you're paying less but you also end up with less space, whereas you might pay a little more for a smaller module but you'll end up with more space to add things later on when budget isn't an issue and you figure out what you really need. You might want to add some flexibility to your budget to get flexibility in your case.

I started out with the same idea. I know how to wield a soldering iron and with the idea in mind of at some point designing and building my own modules, I figured it would be best to source the basic setup from DIY suppliers. Then I found out that the really cheap DIY supplier basically sell bare PCBs, a basic front-plate and they leave the component sourcing up to you. I know my way around in that area so in that case it would be even cheaper to look for open-hardware modules, source the PCBs from a cheap Chinese PCB service and do the sourcing myself as well. But I had this as a day job for a while and I know it is time consuming and can be frustrating, esp. with component shortage these days. The full DIY kits with parts and front-plates included cannot match the price point of Behringer and if you take a good look, the Behringer modules aren't that space consuming. All their modules are dual/triple function and have mults embedded. Perhaps you could save a few HP with multiple smaller DIY units but certainly at a higher cost. But I guess a 6U case that is half empty makes way more sense.

Do you specifically need a keystep pro for all 4/5 channels, or would a regular keystep work, after multiplying the cv and trig? It would save you money so you can buy more/better suited modules to acheive your goals. If you want to syncopate the osc you could use KS for ½ and the s&h circuit for the other ½.

I want to use it as a sequencer and clock source, so I would need a Pro (or?). There's the Beatstep Pro which is half the price second hand. But it has less channels and pads instead of keys. I'd rather use keys for beat sequencing than pads for bassline and melody.

I wouldn't plug headphones into your VCA for a variety of reasons. Mainly you could destroy the drivers, but also you'd likely only get sound on the left side since it's a mono output. Thats not as much of an issue for feeding your interface, but a dedicated output module will work better and save you a lot of trouble when trying to bridge the gap between eurorack and line level audio, but you need room for it in the case, and in your budget.

Thanks, makes sense. I think in that case an audio interface with at least 4 inputs would make most sense. So I can use the Mac as an end mixer/effect box with VCV filling the module gap for the coming time.

edit: I see you're using € instead of $, so I'm assuming you're in Europe somewhere, which opens up a lot of diy/built diy options to you depending on where you're located. I'm in the states, but have started ordering from pushermanproductions.com and thonk.co.uk for these reasons. Even with shipping, I'm getting more for less.

Thanks, will look at these!

-- yeahivandalizm

Thanks for your reply, it really helped organize my goals!

well I would love that

Hahaha me too, me too. I'm sure you'll be fine. As fragile as electronics are, they're also pretty resilient. Air conditioners have circuit boards and sit out in the rain and humidity for years. The electrical compartments aren't fully water proof, and they're fine for the most part. I've seen one get damaged from moisture build up, but it was a large swimming pool unit and it was the chlorine gas entering the compartment that destroyed it. I know synths aren't AC units, but as long as your thing isnt waterlogged (beerlogged) you should be good. Am curious to know how it turns out though, holler back when you get that sumbitch runnin again.

Let it dry, then try it. Of you can't see if it's really dry, 2 days should be enough. Don'ttry to force it with hair dryers etc, which may damage it. I've seen coke end up on a keyboard and after drying, it worked again (though the keys were very sticky with all the sugar)
-- Arrandan

[...] Not to tell you how to live your life or anything, I just know that's a bad feeling that can be easily avoided
-- yeahivandalizm

yeahivandalizm, I need all the help I can get, really appreciate it!

Arrandan/yeahivandalizm, thank you both -- I am reasonably optimistic that it's gunna be okay, but am definitely going to resist any urge to verify before another day and a half or so elapses.

"twistenknobs und blinkenlichts" I'm dead lol. Great post Lugia. When I talk to traditional instrumentalists, that seems to be the main idea they hold on this whole thing. It's downright satisfying when they look at me like I'm an alien after I start sperging out on the technical stuff. "Oh, so you're not in it for the pretty lights?" "If the lights serve no purpose I'd rather not have them". Devices with no control over the superfluous lights are a sensory nightmare lol

What is the purpose of this instrument?
What kind of sounds are you hoping to make, and for what style of music? This looks like a basic subtractive synth, and you could accomplish the same thing, with more features and less cost, using a semi-modular. You could integrate it with other cases later.

Are you buying all behringer just for cost reasons, or do you really love behringer that much? (not hating, I love behringer and don'tcare who knows it) 84hp isnt a lot of space and there are plenty of other low cost alternatives that wont eat up so much hp. It's good to budget, but you get what you pay for. (not a dig at behringers quality) Sure you're paying less but you also end up with less space, whereas you might pay a little more for a smaller module but you'll end up with more space to add things later on when budget isn't an issue and you figure out what you really need. You might want to add some flexibility to your budget to get flexibility in your case.

Do you specifically need a keystep pro for all 4/5 channels, or would a regular keystep work, after multiplying the cv and trig? It would save you money so you can buy more/better suited modules to acheive your goals. If you want to syncopate the osc you could use KS for ½ and the s&h circuit for the other ½.

I wouldn't plug headphones into your VCA for a variety of reasons. Mainly you could destroy the drivers, but also you'd likely only get sound on the left side since it's a mono output. Thats not as much of an issue for feeding your interface, but a dedicated output module will work better and save you a lot of trouble when trying to bridge the gap between eurorack and line level audio, but you need room for it in the case, and in your budget.

edit: I see you're using € instead of $, so I'm assuming you're in Europe somewhere, which opens up a lot of diy/built diy options to you depending on where you're located. I'm in the states, but have started ordering from pushermanproductions.com and thonk.co.uk for these reasons. Even with shipping, I'm getting more for less.

EDITED Dec 3rd 2022, 19:06

For me as a sound designer and sound explorer, I was tired of working ITB all the time with a laptop and VST plugins.
Friends that I jam with all had large modulars and that exposure peaked my curiosity five years ago. I was too broke at the time to buy into eurorack but saved up over time and started with a small Doepfer modular system. Other than time and cost, really no issue with modular world. I do appreciate the faster and easier workflow now with hardware synths like my Elektron boxes that let me save patterns and kits and easier recall for performances in small hardware box but I built a few small modular 4u-7u cases that have good sequencer/mixer and drum machine to take on the go.

Sometimes weeks and months when I have a patch that needs to be consistent until I have time to record and sample it.
I simplified my workflow with a 1010 Music Bluebox mixer/recorder that has been a real game changer for my life. Now I can record happy accidents so if I change patches at least the great accidents are saved forever.

Thoroughly dry and don't force it, like Arrandan says, before attempting to energize the circuitry. This should prevent shorts, as that's the main danger. Even though you can't use heat to help dry it a shitload of dessicant packs might help, especially if you can put them inside. The secondary danger is corrosion of the curcuitry. If you can access the internals and check for sticky build up, after drying you might be able to clean some of the the residue with 90% rubbing alcohol and q-tips. Just make sure the excess dries as well.

I learned booze and synths don't mix so well after twisting a knob off of an envelope generator. Thankfully it was just a round pot shaft that had the knob glued on, but still scared me enough to stick to traditional instruments and move the electronics to a safe location, if inspiration hits after a few. Not to tell you how to live your life or anything, I just know that's a bad feeling that can be easily avoided

Thanks for that! If I recall, it was the Microfreak running through the Arturia fragments. All the best with your projects.

Let it dry, then try it. Of you can't see if it's really dry, 2 days should be enough. Don'ttry to force it with hair dryers etc, which may damage it. I've seen coke end up on a keyboard and after drying, it worked again (though the keys were very sticky with all the sugar)

hi....,

Embarrassed to admit this is my second ever post, about my first ever module (which I will one day disclose its identity if it survives the ensuing...).

Asides from increasingly (one may say) dabbling in synths for the last year, I have been learning to play the drums for the previous 3 years. More recently, I've been attempting to make less unpleasant noises with my synth (i.e. my one single semi-modular), and my very recently acquired powered (and thankfully unconnected at the time of this incident) board, along with an (equally unconnected) first-ever module. Whilst practicing the drums, I accidentally knocked over a freshly-opened, pint-sized can of beer. Said can sadly projectiled an, again thankfully, smallish..yet considerable.. amount of foamy frothy beer such that it moderately lightly covered at least part of my truly cherished module... and to a smaller degree, also to the board I mentioned.

They were fairly quickly wiped off of any excess liquid and did not appear to... well, look any different. Curious if anyone can suggest any methods or strategies to minimize the odds of damage and/or mitigate my acute sense of... unwiseness? Would be greatly appreciated!

Can't comment on how they'd compare, or sound quality, but it looks like it would be super useful for voices in a live case, before tying in with your drumage. She thicc, but probably less hp (and less $,€,£) than if you had separate modules for all the functions. Looks very practical and utilitarian.

EDITED Dec 2nd 2022, 23:37

Hi, I’m new to real modular synths but I know my way around in VCV Rack. Planning to take step to the real deal now. I set myself a €1000 budget cap but that should also include a (second-hand) Keystep Pro.

After a lot of browsing and searching on this site I ended up with a 100% Behringer setup, which just gives a lot of bang for buck. Am I missing something obvious? I chose the Four Play over the System 100 dual VCA, because I figured I could use 2 channels to patch osc out with envelopes and the two other ones as a basic end mixer. I don’t know if that makes sense. I read somewhere you can just plug headphones in the VCA mix out, is that correct? I also plan to add an audio interface to my Mac so I can run the two voices into VCV Rack to add more voices and/or FX, until I expand with more modules.

For case I chose a €111 bare metal rack enclosure from Behringer, 84HP with supply shown in rack here. So that makes about €650, plus €350 for (used) KSP and a 2x2 audio IO is €1100. Any suggestions to improve on this or save money somewhere would be highly appreciated!

EDITED Dec 3rd 2022, 06:36