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A Muxlicer from Befaco. A very rich unit, a Digital Step Controller, a Gate Generator and an Analog Switch (a.k.a. Mux/DeMux). Good build, though a couple of challenges.
I will admit I just scratched the surface o this one, didn't go into the mux/demux side much, it's such a deep unit.
Recommended. C.K. builds a Muxlixer
"Maths will cost you $290 new, Rampage $330. TipTop's prices tend to be lower, and while things can happen with the current shortages and supply-chain issues, I wouldn't doubt their sincerity in trying to achieve that goal."
i'm talking canadian funds, the rampage is $436 plus taxes (incredibly high in quebec, comes to $501 cdn total!) at the local store and maths has dropped to $376 plus taxes. and the U.S. to Cdn funds conversion is awful for us, $200 U.S. today is $256 cdn! but i hope you're right, i just can't see how they can manage it at their prices. i'd have to think that would be the deal of the decade if the quality is there.
-- FatBerg
As an FYI based on your previous post, I often buy modules built by European manufacturers from either Schneidersladen or Thomann and get them shipped to Canada. You will not be charged their VAT and both ship for a reasonable price via UPS (arriving within a couple of days). The Befaco Rampage, for example, currently sells on Thomann for about $374 CAD. Canadian Customs will only collect the federal portion (5%) of the HST and not the provincial portion (8% in Ontario, not sure what it is in Quebec). Eurorack modules manufactured in the EU can be imported duty free. UPS will call you regarding customs clearance and you can authorize them to clear the package on your behalf. The fee for this will be more than offset by not having to pay the provincial portion of sales tax. Customer service is awesome for both. I can’t argue buying from Nightlife as their service is great and I’ve bought from them many times. Cheers.
-- bopodoq
thanks for the tip! just got something from elevatorsound.eu and it wound up being quite expensive. 25 euro shipping and i believe a $40 cdn fee from DHL for taxes and customs clearance. the addac 103 finally costed me $230. my local shop, which didn't have it in stock (or nightlife) were charging $142 cdn, no tax, no shipping.
You really put things in perspective about expanding.
The pam's was intended for some modulation, clocking, but I do need some random, that's why I also went with a wogglebug. Was also considering the verbos random sampling or the MI marbles, but some of the choices were indeed because I wanted a small rack. I also wanted to get a cold mac, but they're pretty much sold out everywhere... I may have to rethink my approach.
-- pipis93
NP
Personally I'd rather have Marbles than Wobblebug - more versatile IMO - you can even use it as a VCO (see divkid video on youtube) - I have both, well Marbles and an erica swamp (that's a descendant of their take on wobblebug)
Patience is a virtue - especially when it comes to module availability and even more so due to the pandemic - if you really want a specific module - try to have cash ready, use wigglehunt and the marketplace here, at modwiggler and for sale groups on facebook
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
nice enough...
some possible tips:
use a tripod - wobbly hand held camera in 1st video
frame what you are filming better - there's a lot of dead screen in the first video
edit video to remove silence at end (maybe not all but in the second video there was quite a lot) or use more delay/reverb tails
use modulation sources/vcas/etc etc so you don't film your hands and/or film something else
don't do free advertising for racists/misogynists etc
the first 3 I think are pretty important, the rest are just taste and/or ethics - and obviously don't really count if you are demoing stuff - but then I'd like voice-over too - here I'm adjusting the XYZ knob to do ABC to the sound etc
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
I've got 8hp left in my rack for reverb. I could pull a couple 2hp modules that get little use to make 12hp happen if need be. I play around with the psy ambient, droney, lo-fi, spacey stuff and want huge reverb. Can I get that in a 12hp module? I've been looking at TipTop Zverb but I'm open to whatever. Does it make more sense to buy the module or run everything through an external effects unit like Strymon Nightsky or Big Sky?
I remember a few years back some one came up with a python program to "randomly" generate patches for their synth - maybe you could try something similar - iirc the source code is (was) online
I wouldn't recommend python for this though - unless they've changed a few things - relating to allowing removal of used items from lists
basically it's just a way of (pseudo-)randomly picking items from lists - a piece of paper and a dice, a spreadsheet or a simple program or pulling bits of paper out of a hat - all will do the same things
voice 1: [pick sound source] will be modulated by [pick modulation source] (and by [pick modulation source] etc) will be processed by [pick sound modifier] (and [pick unused sound modifier] etc)
voice 2: [pick unused sound source] will be modulated by [pick modulation source] (and by [pick modulation source] etc) will be processed by [pick unused sound modifier] (and [pick unused sound modifier] etc)
...
voice n: [pick unused sound source] will be modulated by [pick modulation source] (and by [pick modulation source] etc) will be processed by [pick unused sound modifier] (and [pick unused sound modifier] etc)
you can obviously take it further, by going down to inputs and outputs and specifying what utilities etc you use...
after you've finished patching - try blindfolding yourself and then wiggling - or in the dark
you could also try patching with the synth turned off... or the sound turned down...
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
Plaits and Crave just arrived last week, and here is my first patch exploration.
I am new to video creation and would be grateful for any synth video recording tips or tricks from more seasoned wigglers. I have checked out Bo Beats excellent video on the issue, but would appreciate any other suggestions.
Banged on this for a hot minute...
Now, this uses an Intellijel Palette 104...very portable (they've got Palette gig bags) in which I was able to put some basic but important devices. Sorry, Jim...no extra VCFs, but there's plenty of the other stuff...
The top 1/2 row is Intellijel's utility buss, which not only has your power, but three buffered mults, a dual adder, four 1/4" jacks, and a MIDI I/O that we're not using in this exact build, but it could be helpful later on.
Tile row starts with a Temps Utile, which does some of what Pam's does but which also offers internal sequencing. This one's also outfitted with four attenuvertable CV ins. The QuadrATT serves as your mixer/attenuator/polarizer for CVs. Then there's a pair of FX send/return modules which can use the 1/4" I/O jacks for their send and return lines. And lastly, a Dual VCA lets you control two channels of amplitude (such as the FX loop outs) via modulation sources.
The 3U row works like this: I swapped in a Buchla SOU, then there's a little Erica quantizer for the T_u's sequencer channel or to create tesselations from the Maths by clocking the quantizer and changing CV outs per clock step. Next, Maths, and then there's a Veils that gives you four VCAs with variable response curves, which lets you use these for either CV or audio as needed. The Zadar/Nin combo gives you four envelopes, then your Moddemix and Morphagene. And last is a stereo audio mixer that can be used to sum the previous two to stereo...or anything else audio-wise that needs to go through there for audio summing.
It's still a small, portable build...but much more capable with the extra space and tile row.
-- Lugia
Thanks for your reply, I will definitely check this rack a bit more! As stated in another comment I may need to rethink my approach.
Hi! I'm new to modular and would like some feedback on my first build. It is primarily for sound design experimentation and secondarily for learning synthesis. I'm not familiar with the specific differences in electronic music styles, but I want to explore a range of electronic music from ambient and relaxing to evolving, bass- centric stuff. I started on a microbrute and want to build on that knowledge with a minibrute 2 and 6u rackbrute setup. I'm open to expanding to a larger setup in the future. Based on YouTube research, my favorite modules so far are MI Warps, MI Blades, and Erica Graphic VCO. Also love the 4ms SWN, but I couldn't fit it with everything else I wanted. Would love some feedback on what I could improve or change. I really need a way to sequence chords of varying note length. I plan to patch out of my modular to my guitar pedals for effects. Here is the link to my rack:
Glad you found some value in it! I do try and post a Eurorack module build every 4 days (or so) so keep your eye out, I may be building a module you're interested in.
I am amazed at what this thread turned into
Nah, it's all good. That has always been the shape of the on-line world, and not a big deal. Often simply misunderstandings that get big. Easy to blow up, and just as easy to get back to smooth waters. I think the last time I got upset at an on-line argument/disagreement was in 1982
I enjoyed the video. I don’t have a mother 32 but I want one and I always wondered what it would take to put it into a eurorack rack. I appreciate you’re effort.
I am amazed at what this thread turned into. All the negativity, all the confusion, for what? I’m sorry to see that you had to write in defense of yourself.
The video and message you originally posted was simple. And in a complicated world like eurorack, for a beginner simplicity is well needed. Thank you for taking the time.
IMy main issue isn't dust etc. unfortunately. I live on the California coast and salt air corrosion is a problem with electronic connections and tool corrosion, I use a lot of contact cleaner, so this might be perfect.
-- Ravenware
An idea taken from mil-spec electronics: cover the trace sides of the modules with some nonconductive substance, such as clear polyethylene hardwood floor coating or clear nail polish, to keep salt air corrosion off of them. Another idea, also...tape a pouch of silica gel inside the cab itself, and bake that out for, say, an hour at 150F after doing a gig in a damp venue. I know of a few techno guys who swear by that to keep humidity down inside their modular gear. Then all you'll need to DeOxit would be the controls and jacks, as the other measures deal with the basic humidity/salt issues.
not sure I'd have 2 distings, the moddemix or that mixer
how are you intending to clock the Pams? - are you intending to use it for modulation? it's great but hard synched to clock... which may or may not be what you want
as an audio engineering rack - I'm seeing effects processing - I'd want more effects - especially filters, more modulation sources (not synced) and much more in the way of utilities - use maths for other things and even 2 distings get used up pretty quickly if there's nothing else - and of these particularly vcas - not just for audio but also for cv - so a quad that can be used for both linear and exponential would be perfect something like veils
as I said before get a bigger case - that way you''l have space to expand - you will need it - and a bigger case now will work out cheaper in the long run - tiptop mantis is an excellent starter size - and is very hard to beat for value for money - hp/cost and quality of power supply
-- JimHowell1970
You really put things in perspective about expanding.
The pam's was intended for some modulation, clocking, but I do need some random, that's why I also went with a wogglebug. Was also considering the verbos random sampling or the MI marbles, but some of the choices were indeed because I wanted a small rack. I also wanted to get a cold mac, but they're pretty much sold out everywhere... I may have to rethink my approach.
Banged on this for a hot minute...
Now, this uses an Intellijel Palette 104...very portable (they've got Palette gig bags) in which I was able to put some basic but important devices. Sorry, Jim...no extra VCFs, but there's plenty of the other stuff...
The top 1/2 row is Intellijel's utility buss, which not only has your power, but three buffered mults, a dual adder, four 1/4" jacks, and a MIDI I/O that we're not using in this exact build, but it could be helpful later on.
Tile row starts with a Temps Utile, which does some of what Pam's does but which also offers internal sequencing. This one's also outfitted with four attenuvertable CV ins. The QuadrATT serves as your mixer/attenuator/polarizer for CVs. Then there's a pair of FX send/return modules which can use the 1/4" I/O jacks for their send and return lines. And lastly, a Dual VCA lets you control two channels of amplitude (such as the FX loop outs) via modulation sources.
The 3U row works like this: I swapped in a Buchla SOU, then there's a little Erica quantizer for the T_u's sequencer channel or to create tesselations from the Maths by clocking the quantizer and changing CV outs per clock step. Next, Maths, and then there's a Veils that gives you four VCAs with variable response curves, which lets you use these for either CV or audio as needed. The Zadar/Nin combo gives you four envelopes, then your Moddemix and Morphagene. And last is a stereo audio mixer that can be used to sum the previous two to stereo...or anything else audio-wise that needs to go through there for audio summing.
It's still a small, portable build...but much more capable with the extra space and tile row.
This is totally about how to create financial freedom in your work and this will definitely help you to plan a successful business. The [scam website] first and most basic step toward building a successful business is to take control of your business finance.
-- nick389
but of fuck all interest to people on a modular synth forum!
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
not sure I'd have 2 distings, the moddemix or that mixer
how are you intending to clock the Pams? - are you intending to use it for modulation? it's great but hard synched to clock... which may or may not be what you want
as an audio engineering rack - I'm seeing effects processing - I'd want more effects - especially filters, more modulation sources (not synced) and much more in the way of utilities - use maths for other things and even 2 distings get used up pretty quickly if there's nothing else - and of these particularly vcas - not just for audio but also for cv - so a quad that can be used for both linear and exponential would be perfect something like veils
as I said before get a bigger case - that way you''l have space to expand - you will need it - and a bigger case now will work out cheaper in the long run - tiptop mantis is an excellent starter size - and is very hard to beat for value for money - hp/cost and quality of power supply
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
Jim's spot-on here, really. 1 x 84 hp is just too tight, for one thing. Plus, a Mantis is pretty cheap...not as cheap as the 2 x 140 Ulicase, mind you, but $335 for 2 x 104, powered is a pretty stonkin' deal. And Tiptop even thought ahead for live users, as they've got their own gigbag customized for the Mantis. You also regain the 4 hp used by the uZeus, too.
Using a bigger cab can also help with sufficient space for some large modules, such as Maths. You won't have to be as concerned with what space those 20+ hp-ers are burning.
-- Lugia
Truth is I wasn't planning to go too big in general, I want to keep a small yet packed system since it's going to be further processed in a DAW.
I also am thinking that the sentence "to integrate 0-coast to the rack" was not the proper phrasing, I am not planning on physically moding 0-coast onto the rack, also why I was going for something smaller.
Konstant Labs' PWRchekrs so you can easily keep an eye on your DC rails' health. The most sensible 1 hp module ever!
-- Lugia
IMy main issue isn't dust etc. unfortunately. I live on the California coast and salt air corrosion is a problem with electronic connections and tool corrosion, I use a lot of contact cleaner, so this might be perfect.
I just ordered 4 PWR Checkers to put in this new rack (1 HP is a perfect size) to give 'em a try.
Thanks,
Jim's spot-on here, really. 1 x 84 hp is just too tight, for one thing. Plus, a Mantis is pretty cheap...not as cheap as the 2 x 140 Ulicase, mind you, but $335 for 2 x 104, powered is a pretty stonkin' deal. And Tiptop even thought ahead for live users, as they've got their own gigbag customized for the Mantis. You also regain the 4 hp used by the uZeus, too.
Using a bigger cab can also help with sufficient space for some large modules, such as Maths. You won't have to be as concerned with what space those 20+ hp-ers are burning.
have you come across Brian Eno's Oblique Strategies? a really useful tool for getting past blocks in any field - originally a set of cards, but also available freely online
-- JimHowell1970
+1 on the Strategies. Eno and Schmidt really came up with a classic "mind-jogger" for musical purposes with that, and it doesn't surprise me that we now have Internet versions: https://obliquestrategies.app/020003/ I use a local version of them to keep from pulling up something huge like Firefox when I'm already running Ableton. You can find them on the Apple Store and on Google Play as well.
One other mindjogger that comes to mind is the score for Stockhausen's "Aus den Sieben Tagen". All of this consists of texts which contain instructions to the performer(s), and the concepts that Cholly plays with here are very similar in character AND result to the Strategies. In a sense, they're a sort of instructions for koans specifically for musicians. If you're into envelope-pushing, this is like using a NOS-powered bulldozer to do some REAL sound-shoving!
Oh, I can see some of why Tiptop's Buchla prices are so cheap: for example, none of these have Don's "E-bus" behind the panel. Also, take into account that passive (and some active) components used here are cheaper than they'd been in the 1970s when the original 200 came out. And it wouldn't surprise me if Tiptop had their own board fab, given that they can reliably supply BIG concerns, such as Sweetwater. And the really cool part: no separate control and audio paths...everything conforms to Eurorack's patching standards, which definitely simplifies the design of these while their primary circuits STILL have that tasty Buchla flavor.
Killer acid as always, man. Would love to experiment with your rack. Looks so fun.
Is that the FX Aid on reverb duties? Kind of reminiscent of one of their algorithms I tried out.
Keep up the great work.
After spending months working on feedback patches, I took a break, redid my acid rack, and had some fun cranking this out tonight, hope you all enjoy!
Made with:
The MCO is turning out to be a particularly versatile oscillator, MSCL adds a nice touch, Squid Salmple rules, having just rebuilt the rack I think there's a lot for me to explore but so far so good.
I am somewhat new to modular your opinions and help are greatly appreciated!
I am trying to make a small system for sound engineering with which I want to create and possibly sample self-generative stuff, like melodies, basses and drum patterns (mostly through morphagene I guess since I focus on breaks) as separate components or together. I already have a 0-coast which I bought a year ago or something so I would like to use it with this rack for these purposes.
Will this work? Thank you in advance!
Edit: I opted out for a Behringer CP1-A power supply.
Edit 2: Changed phrasing for clarity
Ah! I used Frequency Central Routemasters everywhere,I've built 10 of 'em so far. Reliable and stable as heck, and very able to provide lots of power, particularly if you add larger heat sinks to the power transistors.
what's the power? I really like the befaco excalibus... most of my racks are powered by these - really really quiet - up to video rates (MHz, not just KHz) - no visible dirt in video synth output... which I do see from the Frequency Central psus I have...
I've already had plenty of "Oh, he's just an old guy ranting"!!!!
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
Thank you both for the comments. I made that after the first four installments of the video series I mentioned. Three more videos have been added with a ton of additional tips and tricks for the Krell, so I think I'll be trying a new version of it this weekend. Fun fun!
Ran the whole playlist this afternoon and yeah, there is a lot of great stuff there. Very cool mix of styles and sounds and techniques. Thanks for sharing. Cheers!
Hehe. I actually recently retired from 31 years in software management at Apple so frugality is not one of my hallmark characteristics. Being a slob and loving to build stuff from scratch my entire life is, which is why so much looks (and is) DIY.
good for you!!! but in that case - why b-company crap?
I've had macbooks/mbps for 15 years or so and always recommend them over anything else - I caught on to the IBM philosophy even earlier than they did - support is the real expense, especially if you can deprecate your hardware... I really like Logic Pro, but the office software is still unfortunately poor compared to Office... but I use it as it comes pre-installed and free
Muxlicer build video - much better idea... non-controversial - did you buy a kit or source your
own components?
For a company like Befaco I find that they provide high quality parts and I buy their full set. Some others (I won't mention names) use really poor quality parts, or parts that don't actually fit (very aggravating) so I buy the PCB and panel and dd my own parts from my bench stock or buy from Mouser, AmplifiedParts, Thonk, or others.
I try to buy pcb/panel sets because I have a fair amount of stock on hand ,so mostly I just need to buy the odd IC and restock passives - so unusual sized resistors is a PITA
the correct sized part is TME and not mouser! - TME is where befaco buy their components >from... found out after!
Yeah, Befaco is interesting. Has anyone ever found out why their circuit board traces have curves and curly bits vs. the relatively straight traces everyone else uses? I've asked them with no response....
I put it down to Iberian aesthetics...
can we rate you compared to SynthDIYGuy? extra points for swearing, self-deprecating humour, >burning yourself, desoldering accidents etc etc! he gets nil points for any of those - so you might >be on a winner!
Rate away. I have evolved over my life from "smartass kid" to "overbearing know-it-all" to my now current "grumpy old man" personas, and it's all fun.
hahah - too true - I'm rapidly becoming a grumpy old man - 52 next week!
Want to see extreme DIY? Here's a snapshot of my testing rack in my workshop, truly a lashup.
-- Ravenware
really like your testing rack - wish I could justify one - probably could if I really wanted to - I just usually check the continuity/grounding with a multimeter - and then hook it up to a spare fc power supply to check nothing blows up before sticking it in one of the racks to test properly - mostly works - but I have blown up a few wall warts in the process
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
I was, especially your post with your rack in it - everything else is DIY - so frugality seems to be
important to you - which is the opposite of racking a semi - I like DIY 1/2 my racks are DIY!
-- JimHowell1970
Hehe. I actually recently retired from 31 years in software management at Apple so frugality is not one of my hallmark characteristics. Being a slob and loving to build stuff from scratch my entire life is, which is why so much looks (and is) DIY.
Muxlicer build video - much better idea... non-controversial - did you buy a kit or source your
own components?
For a company like Befaco I find that they provide high quality parts and I buy their full set. Some others (I won't mention names) use really poor quality parts, or parts that don't actually fit (very aggravating) so I buy the PCB and panel and dd my own parts from my bench stock or buy from Mouser, AmplifiedParts, Thonk, or others.
the correct sized part is TME and not mouser! - TME is where befaco buy their components >from... found out after!
Yeah, Befaco is interesting. Has anyone ever found out why their circuit board traces have curves and curly bits vs. the relatively straight traces everyone else uses? I've asked them with no response....
can we rate you compared to SynthDIYGuy? extra points for swearing, self-deprecating humour, >burning yourself, desoldering accidents etc etc! he gets nil points for any of those - so you might >be on a winner!
Rate away. I have evolved over my life from "smartass kid" to "overbearing know-it-all" to my now current "grumpy old man" personas, and it's all fun.
Want to see extreme DIY? Here's a snapshot of my testing rack in my workshop, truly a lashup.
But not when you are the butt of the joke, it seems!
-- JimHowell1970
OK, insert the obligatory "Haha LMFAO" to all my posts, since that's what's happening in my head anyway.
And I will admit, posting wars (whether through 300 baud BBSs or gigaspeed forums ) has always been very entertaining to me. To Quote from Gladiator Are you not entertained?????
But enough on this thread, since Im sure it's not necessarily entertaining to enough people, I'll cease my little enjoyment.
But there will be a new build video in a couple of days on the Befaco Muxlicer, which I found to be an interesting build and a very deep unit which I have just scratched the surface on.
--ck
-- Ravenware
yeah probably a good idea... it's not like too much fun is possible!!
"Are you not entertained" - I was, especially your post with your rack in it - everything else is DIY - so frugality seems to be important to you - which is the opposite of racking a semi - I like DIY 1/2 my racks are DIY!
Muxlicer build video - much better idea... non-controversial - did you buy a kit or source your own components? I've done both for befaco modules - there would be a huge blooper reel of my reaction to realising I'd bought normal sized 1/4w resistors, if I'd doen a build video for it - when 1/4w in 1/8w cases were required... argh... or realising I'd bought another wrong sized part because the only source of the correct sized part is TME and not mouser! - TME is where befaco buy their components from... found out after!
can we rate you compared to SynthDIYGuy? extra points for swearing, self-deprecating humour, burning yourself, desoldering accidents etc etc! he gets nil points for any of those - so you might be on a winner!
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
But not when you are the butt of the joke, it seems!
-- JimHowell1970
OK, insert the obligatory "Haha LMFAO" to all my posts, since that's what's happening in my head anyway.
And I will admit, posting wars (whether through 300 baud BBSs or gigaspeed forums ) has always been very entertaining to me. Diktat posts that aim to impose absolute "this is the correct thing, noting else is valid" are always rich fields for engaging in lively conversation. To Quote from Gladiator Are you not entertained?????
But enough on this thread, since Im sure it's not necessarily entertaining to enough people, I'll cease my little enjoyment.
But there will be a new build video in a couple of days on the Befaco Muxlicer, which I found to be an interesting build and a very deep unit which I have just scratched the surface on.
--ck
I don't believe I am missing the point, however you are free to express that opinion. And believe me, I have an excellent sense of humor. I also like to provide clarification when something I have said or posted appears to be misinterpreted.
Hopefully you can embrace that also, and engage your own sense of humor.
--ck
hahaha - well usually when people start posting in a forum, they've hung around a bit and read a >load of other posts...
Or not. If a poster stays within the boundaries of the forum rules (if posted) then they can certainly post anything that is relevant and within those rules.
the general thinking on the subject of putting semi-modulars in racks is that it's incredibly wasteful -... so posting a video of something that should be discouraged
So what you're saying is that a post on this forum is supposed to adhere to the "groupthink" currently existing, rather than to an expression of an alternative option? Again, seems very odd to me.
For me, and for other people I have encountered, rack space is much more available than desk space. So moving a desktop synth into a rack is much much more effective than piling stand-alone synths on various flat surfaces. For me, putting a Mother 32 or Model-D in a rack is much much more efficient and useful than not. Others have many valid reasons for not doing that, but doing so is not wrong.
is against the general grain of the forum and should be expected to meet with derision and sarcastic humour
-- JimHowell1970
Responding to a valid alternate use for a synthesizer unit with "derision and sarcastic humour" seems a very hostile and unpleasant way to develop a community. Light hearted humorous responses certainly add spice to a forum and are fun, but not "derision". I will continue to not assume hostility to ideas that are valid but not part of some forum-universal thought-ban and post them.
Thanks for your feedback.
--ck
