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Hi Zuggamasta,

Wow, nice long track where you take us on your sonic adventures! :-) You got at several spots some real fun and nice melody lines with fun & good sounds. I like that!

Then you have a Leslie effects module on the left bottom turning around for your Leslie effects, great! I guess that's using blue tooth or some other wireless protocol otherwise the wires are getting wrapped up pretty fast ;-) Just kidding! By the way, what module is that?

He, he, I overlooked your video above this one, going to check that one out now, looks like some fun too!

Looks like you got yourself a new toy, the OP-Z ;-) Enjoy and have fun with it and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Wishbonebrewery,

Then it's even a nicer can :-D

I wish I could make nice long drones like yours. Do you really need to re-organise your rack or would some longer cables be helping you out here to reach all the modules? ;-)

Good luck with the possible re-organisation and kind regards, Garfield.

I have just listed a pedal for sale, the first time I have done this, expecting it to appear in the regular Marketplace...

Turns out there is a whole separate Pedal Marketplace... who knew?

p.s. It's the Empress Zoia for a really good price :)

Thanks Lugia :) Just ordered the ES-8 I got it for a good price. Only £300 on eBay.. bargain lol.

i mostly agree with this except for the "go do something else" part :D i just yank all the cables and start from scratch..

I was trying to sum together triggers, with the added wrinkle that some of the triggers go to multiple destinations. As it is any trigger into the SMIX and everything gets triggered.

Right now I've got the patch sounding TIGHT ... but totally failing to get some musically satisfying arrangement.... Weekend ahead though!

EDITED Feb 12th 2021, 21:46

Ryan over on 60 Cycle Hum on YT is 100% right: anything Cuvave is responsible for seems to turn out to be the most wacky and extreme stuff out of China right now. As opposed to the usual "clone" pedals, their boxes (at least, the ones I have at this point) ALL do things that are rather warped equivalents of what we're used to...hence, they're effin' brilliant! I actually have TWO of those little tan monsters now so that I can go for max velcro fuzz in stereo!

If you're going with the ES-8, it should DEFINITELY be next, as it poses a bit of a learning curve due to the fact that it connects to external software, and you'll have to sort out how to best integrate that with your DAW for the optimal results you're looking for. After that, then I think the Stereomix should be the next pick so that you can familiarize yourself with applying CVs to its various functions, and how to best do that. Like any other mixer, you need to get really cozy with how it behaves before the next steps.

Thanks, troux!

Nice one @baltergeist, the percussion is a really good touch... great inspo for the weekend!

Picked up another 2hp Tune module recently since it's an effective, cheap, and small quantizer, to pair with my 2hp TM. Ran it through the pedal boards, including the Cuvave fuzz pedal (thanks again Lugia!). It's playing over top of semi random bass and percussion from a pair of Lorre-Mill Double Knots and a Plumbutter.

Thanks Lugia, most definitely. I may start a new thread on the drum skiff but will look into the recommendations for sure. You’ve really helped me focus on the WeedyWhizz case. If you don’t mind, would you be able to share some ideas about the order of purchasing the additional modules you suggested please like should I focus on the es8 or the modulation / interconnecting type modules you have suggested on the second row?

I am definitely ordering the Tip Top processor as I was loving the way it was manipulating sounds in the tutorial videos I was watching the last few days but after that, what would be the logical choice of adding the additional modules?

I also have a digitakt and maschine which I tend to use alternately for sampling and drums, and tend to use a couple of Korg sq-1 sequencers and have a couple of Behringer neutrons and the Behringer model d. Its was the patch bays of these things that got me interested in Eurorack.

EDITED Feb 12th 2021, 14:00

Hello Modulargrid,
Thank you for your support, kind words and reccomendations. I have too much fun with this synth.

Okay, the time marker doenst work: Jump to 40:19 for a lot of fun :)

EDITED Feb 12th 2021, 08:04

Thanks very much Garfield, the Can is real :)

I want to try and create an evolving drone but I feel like I need some pointers, plus I only have the Noise Engineering Bin Seq that I can make long gates times for notes, I feel a rack re-organisation may be needed.

Fun experiment using Winter Modular Eloquencer to sequencer patterns with ratcheting of gates and CV with focus on Noise Engineering Basimilus Iteritas Alter (BIA):

Enjoy! Incredible potential that one module can do with Eloquencer sequencer.

Hi Wishbone Brewery,

Oh that's a nice relaxed song, fantastic, just before going to bed a peaceful song like this. The best way to "switch off" the day :-)

Nice can, is that photoshopped or a real one?

Thanks a lot for sharing and kind regards, Garfield.

Hi Ivo,

He, he, fantastic, another fun track. Lots of nice sounds :-) It gave me a bit of a popcorn feeling too ;-)

Thanks a lot for sharing this and kind regards, Garfield.

Hey @Lugia, thanks for the input. I hear you loud and clear and thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Without showing you a picture, the setup is small enough where there are no long cables necessary (A100 and Intellijel 108hp that are perpindicular to eachother), but you're totally right when I start growing my set up. This was really just to make up for having a small case and the opportunity to add a smaller case to the mix.

Stereo out in this case could come from Out 1 + 2 of the ER301, but at the moment I'm actually just playing with using those 2 as individual mono outs from each Optomix out to the interface. Seeing how mixing in Ableton works and for producing purposes. So we'll see.

I like the voices, I know it takes up a lot of room (remember there is another 104hp row that is currently not smartly housing cv). I felt the Birdkids was an interesting choice vs AJH Minimod VCO and VCF (which is what i was considering). Verbos is a little big but I love it and doesnt really need a filter IMO. But I hear you on the signal path, etc being the point of a whole voice (though I would say I have 3 definite voices atm in this system, not sure why you disagree, understood its minimal), and thats making me reconsider on the ER301 path.

The ER301 is really just something I was thinking about that could solve some purposes/was having a crisis and rethinking things. Thank you for putting things back into perspective. I was just 1) figuring out my mixing situation that works best with my producing workflow and multitracking, 2) reverbs dont feel like a strongsuit of eurorack when I can use Eurorack or a OTO Bam, 3) I haven't found the sampler that I love yet, been thinking the Mungo G0.

Thanks again, Lugia.

EDITED Feb 12th 2021, 00:16

First up, separating your modulation/CV from your audio generators and modifiers is a really, REALLY bad idea. For one thing, if you wanted to use a logic gate as a waveshaper (which can be quite neat...results in nasty pulse waves!), you'd have to run a long cable all the way to the other cab, connect to the gate, then another long run back to your audio chain. This is just one example, and I know there's tons of others, but the point is that working this way is VERY inefficient and unintuitive. Remember: one of the strongest points to modular synthesis is that there's a certain degree of interchangeability between things that make noise, things that modify noise, and things that make those two things happen. And having everything in one place, as one unitized whole, is a thing that modular is prized for.

Second, if you have a stereo out here, where's the stereo mixer to feed the stereo out with a proper stereo image? I see a lot of HYUUJE (and in a couple of instances, pointlessly so) modules in a tiny 2 x 84 cab, crowding out any of the room you'll need for other things (VCAs, mixers, modifiers, etc etc) that make these big, expensive modules work to their fullest. This promises to turn into a problem pretty quickly if the target here is "3-4 voices"; if I were to use the DTM mixer as the primary qualifier of how many voices you ACTUALLY have, I'd pin that total at "1".

Remember, a "voice" isn't JUST a VCO. It's the signal chain that goes from a VCO, through a VCF for timbral modification, then through a VCA for amplitude modification. You simply don't have that here, ergo you're not even on track to having those 3-4 voices. You might (read: SHOULD) want to rethink what you're doing here, jettison the idea of splitting the modular functions up into separate cabs, and reconsider putting everything where it belongs...in the same case. It'll make what you're up to a lot clearer in the end.

This is why I don't even bother with sending MIDI to modulars, for the most part. It makes far more sense to use soundcard-type solutions with various software that can send straight CV/gate/trig/clock/etc via a DC-coupled audio interface, because you tend to not see those sorts of latency "slop" issues. And if this starts running noticeably ahead of the MIDI-driven stuff, it's easy enough to get at just those tracks in the DAW and nudge them into place. Of course, we all know about Expert Sleepers' modules, but their software (Silent Way) can also work via a proper digital audio interface with DC coupled I/O. I use a MOTU 828 mkii for this...8 in, 8 out, Live's CV Tools doing the work.

That patch that was incoherent and pi55ing you off.... 'that one' sometimes turns out to be rather enjoyable.... just keep tweaking, just keep tweaking, just keep tweaking, just keep tweaking, just keep tweaking, just keep tweaking, just keep tweaking, just keep tweaking....... I also speak Whale

Nice work... checking you out on Youtube.

RRR - Reverse Reverb Reverse

Mutable Marbles for gates and pitches, 2hp Bell & Pluck along with the Befaco Even VCA and a little Noise from Kinks through Dannysound Timbre, each part has its own effect, tweaked and mixed in real time. Divkid Instruo Ochd is tweaking Marbles and the Happy Nerding VCF on the noise sweep. Tiny little bit of reverse reverb added in software which all but invisible.

Cheers for listening :)

why was there a problem with earlier versions ?
thanks

Hey there,
this rack is just audio, sequencing+CV is done elsewhere

I'm starting to move in the direction of multitracking my eurorack system, to then be mixed in Ableton. I think this makes the most sense for my setup, though I am not sure about the workflow side of things. I'd prefer to stay OTB but Ableton provides 1) so much more flexibility for mixing and mastering 2) reverb/ambience/effects I think makes a lot of sense ITB 3) sampling probably makes more sense ITB, but I like the vibe of sampling OTB. Well regardless - my setup will consist of 3-4 voices that will be sent to Ableton from Happy Nerding Isolator (or 2, as 4xmono outs) to my Apollo Interface.

I have been thinking that an ER 301 could be a really good addition to this setup because it adds sampling/granular stuff, can be a sort of final mix/master before hitting the computer, could also add in reverb and delay stuff, also as additional VCAs, plus all of the other good stuff in there. But then I start thinking that all of that could be done by skipping the ER 301 and using the computer... But that sounds like a lot less fun, though more clinical.

Sorry for the rant and not a very clear question. Would love to hear any thoughts on the rack, multitracking, ER301, or my specific situation. Just trying to flesh out the best workflow that allows me to have fun, make good music, and mix that music properly. Thanks a lot.

EDITED Feb 11th 2021, 21:39

@Quantum_Eraser,

Thanks, I use a very hybrid system as I have gathered a lot of different noise makers and enjoy using them all. The modular is full of sound designs that I would never find using a VST (its not that they can't be found, I just prefer the more hands on approach and satisfaction the modular provides), and at the same time my modular is not big enough (yet) to get a lush 7 voice chord stack.

I often will take the bounced audio from a VST and then resample it through the modular system because I like the hands on control I get rather than messing around with drawing automation lines in the DAW, and I simply love the sounds of the analog filters and effects I have in my modular rig.

I am hoping to expand the modular in a few months as I continue to push my understanding and capabilities of my rig, I am also on the look-out for a great poly-synth and analog drums.

EDITED Feb 11th 2021, 19:26

The 2021 version is solid an in tune.

why was there a problem with earlier versions ?
thanks
-- productionsah
It takes a wile untill the OSC is in tune! but only the Build Versions before 2019
....

EDITED Mar 22nd 2021, 16:55

Ah now I get you. It's one of the reasons why I also not bought into the nifty: It's modular is a great platform to switch out things if they don't work, but now it looks like you need to switch cases ;) .

My experience with midi clocks is, they tend to be a bit tedious in setting up. Reaper (DAW) for examples does not sent start stop or clock bei default, but it needs to be configured in the midi out.

From a quick search it looks like the clock needs to be activated seperatly from midi out on the elektrom rythm:
https://www.elektronauts.com/t/midi-clock-out-set-up/29559
But you probably already checked this

To further explain i have made a basic diagram which hopefully sheds lights on what I would like to have

Current situation with problem 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IOLw3usFERrRKgA-N71aUs9sDtNcVrrk/view?usp=sharing

New Case (Need USB/MIDI to CV Module)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UnxxlANQ0iGCQeApaYumAQNG386iKZsV/view?usp=sharing

Ahhh, now I'm getting your issue, I had similar coniderations. I do use the midi thing for DAW use DAW+External Sequencer and just to plug it into a keyboard. I don't have that big fixed rig so play around and experiment a lot. The favorite workflow for me is:
Teenage Engineering OP-Z as sequencer -> USB -> DAW -> USB -> SOUNDCARD -> MIDI -> Midi Thing

I could either shortcut this by having the OP-Z CV addon -> with CV and Gate outs, TRS Midi out or a module that takes USB-Midi to CV.

But I like to go through the DAW first because I can record midi and audio of my sessions and replay parts for dubbing etc. The DAW also is great to remap midi in/outs on the fly. Which is a little fiddely on the OP-Z.

Cheers

Hi zuggamasta,

Thanks for your feedback. Thats exactly my problem, there are modules which do USB -> CV or DIN-MIDI to CV and very few which have both and if so, have only 1CV Gate Clock out.

Then again, if I do take befaco into consideration, why do my modules not respond to the midi messages (transport, clock).
Is this is a very specific cre8audio Niftycase problem?
How you do use the befaco module? MIDI via sound interface (so your DAW becomes the master clock) or a external hardware?

Cheers
Ambrish

Heyo, I'm not sure if I'm missing something important. But there is a lot of modules that also do MIDI -> CV with more channels outside of the dopefer world.

I'm using a https://www.modulargrid.net/e/befaco-midi-thing-, which is configurable to be either 8x triggers + clock out/start stop or 4xCV 4x GATE + clock out/start stop or one channel with velocity and mod + clock out/start stop and other configurations in between.

With this module you would only have a oldschool din-Midi tho.

Hello,

I hope someone can help me clarify my doubts or my thought process.
I started with the cre8audio nifty case as my first modular case simply because it have MIDI in/thru and USB to midi with 2 x CV, 2 x gate, clock and a mod. I typically connect the case via USB and set usb midi channel on my DAW (ableton) CV/Gate 1 by default to channel 1 and CV/Gate 2 by default to 2 as specified by cre8audio for nifty case.

Problem 1:
If I use just the midi in of the nifty case with my other hardware (Elektron Rytm is master), it appears that the transport and clock doesn't work. The sound on the nifty is constantly on even if i stop the rytm and the BPM changes on Rytm doesn't affect the bpm/clock on the nifty case.
Therefore I am now sticking to USB mode only. Any insight on this would be helpful as to why when nifty case is sync with MIDI, clock and transport is not affected.

Problem 2:
I want to now expand to a bigger case and need to get some USB/MIDI to CV module. I am so used to having the configuration of the nifty case and do not find any module which serves this purpose, i.e. USB/MIDI -> 2 x CV, 2 x Gate and 1 x clock. I also fear that if i just get a midi to CV I will face problem 1. Having only USB to CV means i have to have a laptop and i sometimes need that if I want to write midi notes on the DAW (I'm not talking about Ableton CV tools - my sound interface doesn't' support optical out, therefore I cannot use Expert Sleepers). It's just simple midi notes, going via USB to channel 1 or 2 - take the CV1 gate 1 and CV2 gate 2 from nifty case and plug it to Rings and Plaits as my sound generators, so to say.

So now the question is when i look at modules which provide USB/MIDI to CV, they are either MIDI to CV or USB to CV and have only 1 cv, gate and clock outputs.
Would I then need 2 such modules? 2 USB/MIDI -> CV to trigger my 2 modules (Plaits and Rings) from my DAW or Sync from external hardware (Rytm). When I sync from Rytm I have to mention thatI sometimes use Qu-bit bloom to generate patterns for both as Qu-bit bloom has 2x cv/gate - but in this case Problem 1 still exists.

Doepfer A-190-1 has midi in and thru but only 2x CV and 1 gate.
Doepfer A-190-3 has usb and midi to gate, note, pitch, v/v and Clt.
Pittsburgh Modular MIDI3 has mid1 to 2 channel CV/gate and a clock
Doepfer A-190-4 has USB/MIDI to 2x CV and 1 x Gate
Doepfer A-190-5 is probably what i might need - 4x CV 4 x Gate and more CV other controls

I just do not know what my next step would be or is my thought process completely messed up?

In short, my use case is:

Trigger Plaits and Rings either with a DAW using USB to CV OR sync the whole rack with external hardware using MIDI to CV and sequence with qu-bit (clock in qu-bit).
I would eventually extend my case for other sound generators which also need to be CV'd and/or Gate'd

Thanks a lot
Cheers

The "lower-level" signal is still high enough that a 5V signal at one input can trigger modules connected to another input.

You should update the description to make this clear. It really limits what the module can be used for. In particular it cannot do what I bought it for.

-- the-erc

Interesting. What were you hoping to do with it?

Although that's not really the Style of Music I listen to, that's a really professional Production you did here!

Very well made!! And when I think a bit longer....I've never heard that kind of Music on a Modular System before.

Yep, exactly that...and in that snazzy cab, this is going to look super-killer!

While you figure out the drums, a few makers to look at would definitely be Moffenzeef and Buck Modular. Both do "percussion" modules that vector more over into the glitchy, Aphex-y zone. Plus, one of the best two modules you could snag have got to be the Delptronics LDB-2e and 2x...classic electro drum sounds in 12 hp totalled. And ADDAC has their T-Network series of "rung filter" modules, which can get you into the 1960s beatbox turf. Lots of great voicing options out there...

Thanks Lugia - this gives me some clear direction on where to go now. Thank you so much. I assume I have interpreted what you said correctly in this build. It's beautiful. Think I just need to start looking on eBay now :)

yes the case is beautiful, it's this one with the tip top boards built in

EDITED Feb 11th 2021, 01:34

@mowse well done

Hi Mog00,

Ah, I was wondering already, a multi-talented modular & vocalist ;-) So modular expert yes, but using "creative ways" to handle the vocals ;-) Fair enough, still sounds very good! :-)

Before I was looking into digital mixers, I also considered the Tascam Model 24. Your mix sounds very good with it :-)

Thank you very much for the details and kind regards, Garfield.

I wish that was my voice, I downloaded the vocal a capella and arranged and mixed it (added delay and reverb from the modular and resampled it in places)

I don't have a studio one digital mixer, I picked up a Tascam Model 24, I love the ability to route individual tracks in and out of the DAW for multi-track recording and overdubbing. I can route samples being triggered from the blackbox into the DAW for recording and out to the modular for FX, overdubs etc.

Hi Mog00,

Wow that's fantastic! Great music, fantastic voice and to me it sounds like a great mix too! Studio-One... are you using a Presonus - StudioLive digital mixer? I am considering one, please let me know your experiences with it, I would much appreciate that!

Beside the great modular music you are able to pull off here, you got a fantastic voice as well, I am so jealous :-)

Thanks a lot for sharing this and I hope to hear more from your fantastic tracks! Kind regards, Garfield.

Pretty bonkers, ain't it? What I've heard of it seems to me to be akin to a Buchla 258 on a bit of a weekend drunk. That "self-mod" setting on VCO1 just puts that module into a whole new turf, really. That seems to be a general modus operandi for Noise Reap, in fact...normal modules behaving just badly ENOUGH.

Actually, here's how to add both the AM Synths VCF AND the ES-8:

Swap the Korgasmatron for the AM Synths VCF. This gives back 2 hp.
Remove the Isolator (since you won't be doing much gigging with this) for 4 more hp.
Then, swap the 4 hp VCO mixer for a 2hp Mix, giving you another 2 hp.

Now that you have 8 hp free, take EVERYTHING on the top row and slide it to the RIGHT. This puts the open 8 hp at the LEFT end. Drop the ES-8 in here, with the Disting to the right of it. This now puts your incoming DAW control and audio return on the same end as the manual touchplate control for the Cre8 Chips, retaining the signal/ergonomics flow.

Now, KEEP the Korgasmatron + 4 hp mixer (don't worry about the Isolator, as we're going to factor that OUT of the build) for the drum skiff. And the Korgasmatron will probably work best as a stereo "effect filter" after the stereo mixer in the drum skiff! And, make sure to stick an envelope follower in the drum skiff so that you can have an envelope tracked modulation CV which you can patch in as needed to cue the Korgasmatron for weird sweeps and whips.

I didn't know you had one of those big WeedyWhizz cabs, which definitely will take something 80mm deep. Given that, having a pair of monophonic VCFs actually works nicely here, as you can set up THREE different "voices", with the Eudemonia being shared between one of the upper row "voices" and the Chips (or just send the Chips directly to the stereo mixer for that unfiltered 8-bit chiptune sound), and the JP8 LPF for big, pounding bass (should play really nicely with the Fold, in fact!). This leaves the Korgasmatron at the end of your mix chain for the drums, to mess with the stereo out on there for trippy filter stuff as mentioned above.

And yeah...I'm a tad off of Pam's these days, because I think the Temps_Utile has more going on. Not only do you get the display for setting up trigger sequences, you have that single CV out channel which is set up for randomish things, such as an emulation of the Volts output of a Turing Machine. Sure, it has two less outputs...but unless you've got a mammoth system full of trigger destinations, the eight outs of the Pam's can be a bit of overkill.

Je kan eerst ook een enklouige enveloppe generatior nemen ie is een stuk goedkoper
-- Raimond

might be better to stick to the common tongue - ie English!

Can somebody who uses one of these please write me a PM.
I dont know if mine is broken or not.

halp

Je kan eerst ook een enklouige enveloppe generatior nemen ie is een stuk goedkoper

Hi,

I have the same problem since two days.
And I don't receive the message in my mail box too.
Please help.

yes it is

and congratulations on choosing a case that is a decent size!

if you don't already have (all) these modules then:

black pams may be unobtanium - iirc it was a limited edition!

plenty of space = no reason not to buy an original plaits - not only better ergonomics, but Emilie, the original designer, gets paid!

you probably don't need the adsr - unless you are planning on playing with a (cv) keyboard - I'd swap this for a bi-polar lfo - doepfer will do perfectly well

are you planning on sequencing from pams?

how are you planning on listening?

next purchase VCAs - don't skimp - get a quad (veils, perhaps) - you may not think you need them now, but you will - they are just as useful for modulation as for audio