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Thanks :)
Its the PatchingPanda Punch is kinda plucking the sound resonating from a Omsonic FLF (Funky Ladder Filter) with triggers from the Befaco Burst and looping in MakeNoise Mimeophon, playing with the mode and Skew is ON and Flip is ON some of the time, and there is some subtle variation of the filter cut-off using one of the Pitch outs from Marbles.
Befaco Burst is prefect for the triggers because you can set probability that the triggers are likely to fire so that makes it sound more natural, I found interesting results varying the mode on Mimeophon with anything from quite a tight delay to more expansive repeats and looping all seem to work well or make for variety, I also have a bit of subtle CV hitting the Rate control.
The envelope from Punch is also sweeping the filter cut-off.
Enjoy your spare HP, don't rush to fill every last space, this is not like filling sticker books. Resist the urge to 'complete' your rack, its never complete so just relax.
Another thing, too, deals with how MG handles currency conversion. You have the option for putting in prices in EUR or USD on the module edit page, but the conversion routine places its work in a wholly different order. Same thing happens when MG only sees USD as a price, and then has to convert those to EUR, with the same sort of ordering result. Apparently there's not much to do about it, either, since this is necessary; some European modules cost more in the USA, and vice versa.
There's also quite a few EG+VCA combo modules that would be ideal for this purpose. Or perhaps using something simpler would do the trick, since we're talking percussion here and not something that requires a gate. You might consider Doepfer's A-142-4, which is a quad decay (Schmitt trigger, more or less) with a very fast fixed attack and ONLY decay as a parameter. Given that the rise on those is immediate, then all you'd be doing there is adjusting the "ring time". The A-142-4 can be dialed down to as short a decay as 20 msec or up to 2 seconds max. The factory setting on the attack time (3 msec) can also be adjusted via a trim pot on the board.
A favorite sound of mine from vsts is unison stack detune with stereo spread. "Supersaw" is the most common version of this, but it can be done with many waveshapes.
How to do this in Eurorack? Lets say I've got a great timbre out of DPO (or ANY OSC) and I want to give that the thick fat wide supersaw stack detune spread sound?
Ladik Animator strikes me as a possibility but: might need 2 modules, no controls on it to tailor the sound, and wouldn't handle spatial spread. But worth considering ...
[edit, added] I should say, I'm still trying to figure out how to do unison stack detune with stereo spread for ANY waveform weather it originates in eurorack or DAW. So if you have VST-based suggestions I could add to a chain to "superX anything" I'm interested!
[edit, added] Last, I must add (if only for my benefit) yes this stack/detune/spread idea is somewhat similar to chorus, but not exactly. VSTs like Serum, Zebra2, Icarus2 give the ability to make almost any waveform into a "superX" version with stack unison detune and stereo spread. There you can control: # of unison voices, amount of detune, amount of stereo spread, level balance between original and added waves. I find these controls give me a LOT more control over a tone (vs. a chorus) and let me get a sound that has more density, more power, and more control of stereo spread than a normal chorus. Which is to say, yes I like chorus quite a lot, but IMO chorus is not a substitute for a good unison stack detune spread function.
... SO, any ideas? Module and patch suggestions and or VST suggestions appreciated!
Plragde: Thank you very much again for your previous feedback. Regarding splitting the document into several parts, I have given that some thoughts and came up with the idea to keep the contents the same in the review report however I have removed the appendices from the review reports and created a separate document for the appendices for those who want to read the rest :-)
Your idea of adding a change log, I have adapted that as well, appendix C in that separate document that is available here for download:
All: The new style review reports will be, instead of just under 70 pages previously, nowadays just under 30 pages. Still a lot but at least less than half of what it had been before. For those who still don't like to read so much, just read chapter 2 that should do it.
The first new "style" review report, is the above-mentioned SEM filter report from Doepfer about the A-106-5.
Thank you very much, have a nice day and kind regards, Garfield.
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Always interesting to listen at your self driving patches/jams and amazing at the very same time!
Slightly bit "dark" this one, isn't it ;-) Perhaps Elon Musk will use your music for his next promotion video, that would be fun! :-) Thanks a lot for sharing and kind regards, Garfield.
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Ha, ha, no worries and you don't need to trouble yourself to just please me, I am just providing feedback on how I see things, which doesn't mean that's necessarily correct.
Of course if you like to record a nice (long) dub track I wouldn't mind that at all! I don't mind indeed a bit longer tracks however 3 hours is even for my understanding a "bit" too much ;-)
Thank you very much for your kind words and kind regards, Garfield.
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Think the ES-9 will be best for me to pick up ASAP then and that will also grant some utility with the 8 outs.
not utility (at least in the sense of utility modules in modular) - more functionality! think of utilities like plumbing...
I actually was looking at links and kinks before I took to here to ask advice. Also I've never used a matrix mixer, but definitely seems interesting. Think I will go ahead and make those purchases!
Maths I went back and forth with as I've seen its popularity as a beginner module and seems like I wouldnt have trouble reselling it if I ever wanted to. So I will go ahead and make that a priority as well.
make sure you get the illustrated manual - it's an online pdf and not from make noise! and full of patch ideas!!!
Think thats enough to help steer me in the right direction and make some choices ensuring I have a well rounded setup. I'm going to update my rack on here and I'm sure I'll be posting again asking for some patch ideas, or scouring the forums for them as well.
more than enough to be going on with for a good while!!
Really appreciate your feedback and hope your move goes well! I'm currently transitioning into a 5th wheel camper full time, so I'm about in the same boat lol All which supports me finally making the move into modular :)
-- amindy
thanks - you too!
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
if you are thinking of getting an es9 - I would say get that as it doesn't need any modular -> line level converters - it's a modular interface - might save you some money in the long run + you can integrate with vcv rack to have a play with different types of module etc
I usually recommend a starter kit of links, kinks, shades and veils - or other modules that satisfy the same functions - kinks is discontinued - so buy it if you can find it asap - other wise the wmd/ssf toolbox is a good substitute, you've got an intelijel quad vca - so that's close enough to veils - links is a buffered mult/mixer combination - 1 section of each and a middle section that can be used as either or a precision adder - which is used for adding 2 quantized sequences together for transposing one sequence with the other (ie change the root note)
I also really like matrix mixers - slightly more complicated to get your head around but not that bad - really useful for mixing modulation sources together - or creating feedback loops - or send/return for effects
Which brings me to - you could really do with a better modulation source - ochd is ok but it's not clockable and there's no reset - so it's just free running - I'd also contemplate this as an early purchase - I really like Maths especially for beginners because of the 'Maths Illustrated Supplement' (google) - which is an excellent primer for patch-programming - and patching modular synths in general - download and read through it even if you don't buy Maths!!! alternatively something like Pamela's New Workout - which is basically a clock source, with clock division multiplication and different waveforms so you can open your vcas!!!
-- JimHowell1970
No Offense taken! I'm sure you get tired of saying the same thing over again lol
Think the ES-9 will be best for me to pick up ASAP then and that will also grant some utility with the 8 outs.
I actually was looking at links and kinks before I took to here to ask advice. Also I've never used a matrix mixer, but definitely seems interesting. Think I will go ahead and make those purchases!
Maths I went back and forth with as I've seen its popularity as a beginner module and seems like I wouldnt have trouble reselling it if I ever wanted to. So I will go ahead and make that a priority as well.
Think thats enough to help steer me in the right direction and make some choices ensuring I have a well rounded setup. I'm going to update my rack on here and I'm sure I'll be posting again asking for some patch ideas, or scouring the forums for them as well.
Really appreciate your feedback and hope your move goes well! I'm currently transitioning into a 5th wheel camper full time, so I'm about in the same boat lol All which supports me finally making the move into modular :)
Ronin1973
Appreciate your feedback! Linking with ableton and my computer is an eventual goal but having a hard time pulling the trigger on those modules (Es-9 & midi cv expansion) right now. Again I want the eurorack to also function as standalone as much as possible and dont want too much of a headache as I already have a major learning curve as it is. But want to move that direction sooner than later.
On the synth level to line converters, do you have any recommendations?
if you are thinking of getting an es9 - I would say get that as it doesn't need any modular -> line level converters - it's a modular interface - might save you some money in the long run + you can integrate with vcv rack to have a play with different types of module etc
JimHowell1970
Hey See you pretty active on here, this is my first post, so forgive me as I'm learning how to use this! I posted a link to the rack above that I have with my current modules, and a few from my wish list off to the side.
As far as utilities go, thats exactly the kind of feedback and recommendations im looking for! Again looking for the order of what would be most useful with what I currently have and recommendations as to what my next purchases should be considering whats on my list and what I want to accomplish.
Thanks again for your help!
-- amindy
yeah - between jobs at the moment and moving house internationally - furniture arrives Friday!!!
currently have synth & computer plus a bed 2 chairs and a table and that's about it!!!
so please don't take any offence - I kind of get tired of typing the same thing again and again and again...
BUT anyway - utilities - the plumbing of modular
I usually recommend a starter kit of links, kinks, shades and veils - or other modules that satisfy the same functions - kinks is discontinued - so buy it if you can find it asap - other wise the wmd/ssf toolbox is a good substitute, you've got an intelijel quad vca - so that's close enough to veils - links is a buffered mult/mixer combination - 1 section of each and a middle section that can be used as either or a precision adder - which is used for adding 2 quantized sequences together for transposing one sequence with the other (ie change the root note)
I also really like matrix mixers - slightly more complicated to get your head around but not that bad - really useful for mixing modulation sources together - or creating feedback loops - or send/return for effects
Which brings me to - you could really do with a better modulation source - ochd is ok but it's not clockable and there's no reset - so it's just free running - I'd also contemplate this as an early purchase - I really like Maths especially for beginners because of the 'Maths Illustrated Supplement' (google) - which is an excellent primer for patch-programming - and patching modular synths in general - download and read through it even if you don't buy Maths!!! alternatively something like Pamela's New Workout - which is basically a clock source, with clock division multiplication and different waveforms so you can open your vcas!!!
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
VIEW THE RACK BEGINNINGS
(Eventually will be moving the Model D as the rack fills up)
Ronin1973
Appreciate your feedback! Linking with ableton and my computer is an eventual goal but having a hard time pulling the trigger on those modules (Es-9 & midi cv expansion) right now. Again I want the eurorack to also function as standalone as much as possible and dont want too much of a headache as I already have a major learning curve as it is. But want to move that direction sooner than later.
On the synth level to line converters, do you have any recommendations?
JimHowell1970
Hey See you pretty active on here, this is my first post, so forgive me as I'm learning how to use this! I posted a link to the rack above that I have with my current modules, and a few from my wish list off to the side.
As far as utilities go, thats exactly the kind of feedback and recommendations im looking for! Again looking for the order of what would be most useful with what I currently have and recommendations as to what my next purchases should be considering whats on my list and what I want to accomplish.
Thanks again for your help!
-- amindy
Well, the Intellijel uJacks is exactly what I'm talking about. There are two line-level outputs on it. So that's good. As far as keeping it simple, almost any MIDI to CV converter will work. I have the FH2, which is probably a bit of overkill after reading your follow-up. The Intellijel uMIDI looks pretty tasty to fit in your Brute Rack.
I'm currently using my AI Modular Matrix Mixer as a pre-mixer of 4 inputs then sent to 2 outputs, so i can send bits of audio to either Monsoon Clouds or Mimeophon, I think this is kind of the arse-backwards way of Effects Sends on a Mixer.
They are also great for mashing up modulation sources.
Enjoy your spare HP, don't rush to fill every last space, this is not like filling sticker books. Resist the urge to 'complete' your rack, its never complete so just relax.
VIEW THE RACK BEGINNINGS
(Eventually will be moving the Model D as the rack fills up)
Ronin1973
Appreciate your feedback! Linking with ableton and my computer is an eventual goal but having a hard time pulling the trigger on those modules (Es-9 & midi cv expansion) right now. Again I want the eurorack to also function as standalone as much as possible and dont want too much of a headache as I already have a major learning curve as it is. But want to move that direction sooner than later.
On the synth level to line converters, do you have any recommendations?
JimHowell1970
Hey See you pretty active on here, this is my first post, so forgive me as I'm learning how to use this! I posted a link to the rack above that I have with my current modules, and a few from my wish list off to the side.
As far as utilities go, thats exactly the kind of feedback and recommendations im looking for! Again looking for the order of what would be most useful with what I currently have and recommendations as to what my next purchases should be considering whats on my list and what I want to accomplish.
Just received this module today and I must say it is an extreme value. 4x4 Buffered Matrix Mixer w/ Uni/Bi-polar switches per output channel for roughly $120 shipped from Netherlands to the US. A real treat. Still awaiting power consumption specs, something I totally forgot about while purchasing, so for now it's sitting on it's own in an otherwise empty niftycase until I'm certain I won't be pushing the specs of my main case.
However, I tested and played with it for about 30 minutes earlier today and it's tons of fun. Can't wait to really incorporate into my workflow.
Anybody have any unique tips/links for Matrix Mixer usage?
create your rack and post a link (a copy of the url) to your rack here - photos are basically useless 99% of the time and being able to get mouseover info etc is really useful - helps us help you!!!! make sure you leave your rack public!!!!
also see signature - you appear quite bereft of utilities...
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
I think the problem is related to modules with prices listed as ~150€ or whatever, when sorting by ascending price these seem to appear first in descending order!
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
The "sort by price" button seems to be broken (at least for me).
go to the modules tab
reset all filters
select a function (I picked VCA)
click "price"
arrows points up -> Moog Subharmonicon at 1667,- is first, then modules follow going down from 647,- etc.
click "price" again
arrow points down -> Metasonicx S-2000 at 1979,- is first, then modules follow going down from 1500,- etc. After a few pages, the prices start going up again (minimum was Gainbrain at 19,-) over numerous pages
All I want is to filter for functions (or maybe other things) and then get a list with modules starting at the lowest price.
Have you tried an envelope generator? It seems that you need a couple of attack-decay envelope generators. You can use ADSR if you set the sustain and release to zero. As long as the EG is fast enough, you should be fine.
As far as stand-alone, you have your Arturia Keystep that can handle basic sequencing. Depending on your needs, you can always add Eurorack sequencers. There are so many types and styles, that's an entirely different conversation.
As far as integrating your Eurorack into your set-up, I would have two things purchased: 1. A MIDI to CV converter that can transform MIDI messages into gates and CV. There are quite a few of these as well. There are full programmable USB MIDI to CV converters like the Expert Sleepers FH2. Then there are simpler 5-pin MIDI to CV that many companies make.
2. Synth-level to line level converter. Eurorack levels are a lot hotter than the output of your DeepMind or DrumBrute. A dedicated converter is great for a no-muss/no-fuss dealing with this. A stereo unit is usually enough unless you're trying to isolate sounds in a large set-up.
There are other methods, like generating CV and gates directly from your DAW as well buying an audio interface that works at Eurorack levels (like the Expert Sleeper ES9)... but depending on your set-up and if you already have a regular audio interface, this can get a little tricky, especially with a PC.
Atmospheric soundscape inspired by watching nighttime live streams of the Space X spaceport in Boca Chica, Texas, and pondering the significance in pedal depressed pan chromatic resonances and other highly ambient domains.
I've either burnt some components during soldering or the Befaco Kickall just sounds best with really short triggers. It's all soft and bouncy with the regular LL8 trigger. But it has a whole lot of punch when I tighten the trigger length via the Becafo RAMPAGE Rise Out.
Now I was wondering: I like to free the Rampage from kick drum duty. So I considered some options to get a shorter trigger signal and I'd like your opinion and modules I haven't considered yet:
Function generators:
* Solution C: A second Befaco RAMPAGE. Really nice solution but a bit HP hungry and expensive.
* The Befaco Slew Limiter looked like a single RAMPAGE channel at first, but doesn't have the Rise and Fall Outs.
* I also could not find any single channel Function generators that have the respective outs.
Any other tools/utilities I might have missed?
In general the function generator seems like the better deal as it would enable the new trigger to have CV-able lengths.
Oh yes, working out power consumption for individual cases can be a pain when you use the combo-rack method. Got 5 cases at the moment. I tend to duplicate the huge rack and then delete all modules down to the one case I want to check...
-- Jonau
@gumbo23
1. open the two racks in two different browser windows.
2. be sure Keyboard Shortcuts are enabled
3. in the first window hover over a module and press c
4. in the second window hover over the rack (important) and press v
Hey guys, so I am new to Eurorack and would love some feedback! Here is a list of my current gear and setup and what I'm moving towards in Modular. My current plan is to Rack mount most of my current gear and use midi from ableton to create compositions that i can get talking to the Eurorack. Inside the rack I want to focus on more ambient, granular generative type music, eventually expanding and/or at least duplicating the voices from the Model D & Pro 1. Really want to move between these two with the use of ableton and the Eurorack. Having a standalone Eurorack that can be portable and then plug into my larger system and play nicely with ableton and SemiMod Synths :)
I am looking for some help to make sure I get the most out of my rack and make logical steps as I expand. I currently have an Arturia Rackbrute 6u and will most likely purchase another as I expand. Would love suggestions as to the models I currently have, and the order in which I should acquire some items on my list. Would love any and all suggestions!
Current:
Behringer Model-D
Behringer Pro-1
Behringer DeepMind 12D
Korg Volca Keys
Korg Volca Sample
Arturia DrumBrute
TC Electronics Hall of Fame Reverb
TC Electronics Flashback Delay
Chasebliss Mood Pedal
Boss DD-3T
- Controller Arturia Keystep all ran into Ableton
Oh yes, working out power consumption for individual cases can be a pain when you use the combo-rack method. Got 5 cases at the moment. I tend to duplicate the huge rack and then delete all modules down to the one case I want to check...
I've done both but it makes it a pain to keep up to date
8 racks for a total of 1816hp not all full at the moment - but I quite like using blind panels to spread out a bit and I keep the panels for my DIY backlog in there too!
I use the whole rack mostly for positioning modules and the individual racks for working out power consumption
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
Thanks as always for listening, and for your support.
I guess I'm trying to gain some exposure over on YouTube, and thought the lengthy videos may be putting some people off. Colin Benders is doing 3+ hour livestreams and getting thousands of views in realtime, so maybe I'm overthinking it and I just need to find other ways to promote myself.
As my no.1 appreciator, I will gladly create some more dub for you in the next video, and will even name it for you.
I did it like farkas, but you can open two separate browser windows, set them up side by side and then cut, copy and paste modules using the keyboard shortcuts. But is a bit tedious, so I'll stick to my way too huge 'combo'-rack...
I'll confess I don't use all of them all the same time. The reason I have them is more for the different functionality they each provide and I generally unpatch everything apart from that main signal flow I described for clock and reset throughout the system. I do this because it helps me learn different and new techniques and helps me build my knowledge by repeating the act of patching things again and gain.
Sometimes I use the RCD as a way to trigger the reset of the Metropolis which can really provide a nice change to the sequence from the metropolis along with everything else that this module provides.
However that being said, it generally depends on mood. If I want to start something fast, my goto is the metropolis. If I want to do something more intricate and happy to spend time on the sequence, I use the Hermod with its effects. These two modules tend to be starting points for sequences that drive the melodic structure of music.
The mimetic, clep and zularic is generally used with the Squid Salmple and the BIA for cv and trigger inputs. Sometimes I may use a Quadratt in the path to restrict the range of the voltage going through on the BIA to get a more subtle modulation of one of the functions. Mimetic is fast and gives you really great percussion type random variations to the BIA as well as on the squid with a click of a button. Zularic helps in creating interesting rhythms that are derived from world music which sit well with a standard 4 to floor beat. If I want euclidean patterns I can get those from the temps or hermod too.
Predominantly though, I really like using sequences in the cv input of vca's and also in the trigger inputs of the Quadra for envelopes which then go into the modulation inputs of filters. I jut seem to get better results and more control that way than using lfo's .
I tend to use the temps and ll8 for even more control like when I want to exactly trigger something to happen at an exact point based on me manually sending a trigger to something else.
In a nutshell though, I just love sequencers for modulation and not just for driving the melodic structure of music or what sound like music to me :)
I am planning to write a longer post which I keep meaning to do comparing my rack now to the original advice I got from Lugia which was great starting point for me, and I couldn't have done without it as to be honest, I remember not fully understanding right at the start why Lugia had organised my rack the way he had at the beginning of my journey into Eurorack. Like I remember Lugia putting an Octane into my rack and I was like what is that thing useful for, whereas now I have like lots of Octane type modules :)
Another aspect is cost, I think it's worth investing in the extra modules if you can get them for good prices. For example, I bought the analogue solutions generator for £265 and the zularic repetitor for £80. Prices were too good to refuse and my thinking is I could always sell them on if required and not lose money on them
Another example of a patch is to take a lfo from ochd into the rotate input of RCD, this way the clock divider will be generating different rhythms which you can use as a trigger in of the Quadra. You can then use the output of that as modulation to the filter but its generally things of that ilk.
Oh and why the two varigates - I guess this is because I too like to decouple gates from sequences so have one in gate mode and the other in cv mode to give me that flexibility.
Submitting is still an option for you. You just need to fill in some of the fields and then make sure to have "Do not list this module" checked. This option is tailored to your need:
Check this field if you do not want your module to be listed in the module browser. It will be excluded from the module search, too. This is useful for your unique DIY modules and alternations of modules already in the database, technically considered as duplicate.
Hi forum,
I am new to the modular world and i am glad that a tool like MG exists. Thank you for that one!
In case this question already came up, please submit a link. I really tried to find but i think this not a good solution for my specific case.
Yesterday i build my first custom module. Its a passive breakout board for "Arturia BeatStep PRO". Now i am wondering if this is addable in MG.
It really does not make any sense to submit this a new module because its unique.
Is there any best practice to add something like this or is this simply not possible?
I have multiple cases too, and have just extended the rows and hp of a single Modular Grid case to match my full rig.
My complete system is 2 x 12u x 104hp racks side by side (208hp) wide so I have built my MG rack to be 210hp wide with 2hp blank panels representing the space between racks.
There is no problem, it's a product specification.
Manual says,
Connect clock input of the LL8 to a clock signal from a sequencer or LFO and the sequencer will start running. If the sequencer does not receive a clock signal for a few seconds, it jumps back to the first step of the sequence and waits until the clock continues.
I need help with LL8. After reset (disconnect clock for some seconds and send clock again) it always skip first step in pattern (no trigger out). Is it normal for LL8?
A normalled jack is different from normalizing, people should be careful not to interchange the two terms. Normalizing involves altering the gain of audio, normalling involves behind-the-panel connections between circuits.
-- snowtires
So instead of stating "The right VCA is normalized to the left VCA" the builder should be saying "The right VCA is normaled to the left VCA"?
Yeah Nerdseq would be fun to try out as a different type of sequencer plus you can use a Gameboy joystick controller with it!
I've never used tracker style sequencers most have been XOXO type step sequencers. Erica Synths Black Sequencer looks like another fun one to try out and Endorphin.es Ground Control is finally out now.
I'm shameless to say, most of my rack was designed around yours. :) And, I just noticed you replaced the Befaco STMix with the Happy Nerding 4x St Mixer. For me, the STMix was always had a bit static when adjusting levels. How are you finding the 4x St Mixer it in comparison?
