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How many channels do you need? The MPC1K features a multi-track sequencer. If you just plan to do monophonic sequences then the Kenton Pro Solo may be fine, but if you want to get the most out of the MPC1K then that's probably not the right choice. FH-2 is great, but if you're looking for something less expensive, Avon Synth makes a 4-channel converter that is simple and gives you velocity outputs in addition to pitch and gate. It's a 10 hp module though.
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There is a issue with the drop down list that stops at letter W
I cannot search for "Xaoc Devices" using "Xaoc" but i get it with "Devices"
-- pibou
I cannot reproduce the issue, seems to work here.
I don't get any movement. Press 'B' and still have the numbers and 'A's - ie the top of the list.
So need to use the slider to get anywhere.
It works a bit different now.
Hit B now only shows manufacturers with a b somewhere in the name. That does not have to be the first letter.
I look into it if the behavior can be changed, I too find it a bit odd.
Getting all sorts of odd things - if I type in say melodicer I get invalid manufacturer
-- OurMod
Press the Clear Manufacturer button in this case.
Sorry for the trouble. If more problems bubble up I might revert it to the old functionality or find a way that the datalist only shows up on touch devices (which was the main reason to make it).
The installed algo's are not convincing.
Happy Nerding's FX aid, beats it all the way .
If can't find other stuff to install I will definitely not keep it .
Quite disappointed.
Other FX I own to compare with :
FXaid / Mimeophon / Monsoon / Desmodus Versio / TipTop Z5000.
That doesn't work at all on my smartphone.
Android+ fire fox.
-- klodifokan
Ah, shoot. That seems to be a bug in Firefox Android mobile I did not know about. Persists since 3 years :(
Strangely works on iOS Firefox. I will look if there is a walk around for that..
Since we have so many manufacturers listed on MG the manufacturer select box in the module search form was not very easy to operate. Especially on touch devices where you could not enter a letter to shortcut to a manufacturer.
Now we have a datalist which is kind of a searchable select box.
It looks and behaves a little differently in the different browsers. Check it out and type something in the manufacturer field.
Thank you Wiggler55550 and CraigKirk for helping me understand electricity better and relieving stress about turning about 500hp into a smoke and lights show with a bunch of liquid mostly running out of my eyes... With the feeling like I jumped out of a perfectly good airplane with... What did I forget... Oh... The chute!!!
The power coming out of your wall outlet is 15A @ 120V, this equates to 1800W, the (whole order of magnitude) voltage difference being the thing you are missing.
The power you are pulling from the wall at THE VERY max from that case is something like 300W, and that's at absolute max (and there is no way you can come close to pulling like a quarter of that 5V margin)
You would have a very, VERY hard time maxing out a breaker circuit with a Eurorack setup.
No worries, it will run fine and will not blow any fuse. I'm actually running a similar case and a large ADDAC 901M on the same 16A circuit without problems.
Hi everyone!!!
Have a question about any power issues. I checked the specs and it say +12V/8000ma, -12V/4800ma, +5V/16,000. I know practically ZERO about electricity so the math is not working for some reason so I figure there is something I'm not understanding. I'm getting 28,800ma total of power adding all together... Or would it be 19,200ma for just + with - subtracted? My main question is... If it's either 19,200ma or 28,000ma that should trip my wall outlet (15Amp) being 19.2 Amps ~ 28 Amps shouldn't it?
I guess what I'm asking is... Will this run perfect on your run of the mill 15Amp wall outlet or do I need something special?
Thank You for any help.
Hi everyone!!!
Have a question about any power issues. I checked the specs and it say +12V/8000ma, -12V/4800ma, +5V/16,000. I know practically ZERO about electricity so the math is not working for some reason so I figure there is something I'm not understanding. I'm getting 28,800ma total of power adding all together... Or would it be 19,200ma for just + with - subtracted? My main question is... If it's either 19,200ma or 28,000ma that should trip my wall outlet (15Amp) being 19.2 Amps ~ 28 Amps shouldn't it?
I guess what I'm asking is... Will this run perfect on your run of the mill 15Amp wall outlet or do I need something special?
Thank You for any help.
Deffo here, get a powerful brain to master the rack (even if you don't want to use it much, you always get support from it) I'm using the AKAI Mpc one 4out cv, brilliant
My experience: buy a decent drum machine/sampler and focus your modular for a specific task rather than viewing it as a jack of all trades.
-- richc90
imo, I really really wanted de VE-CO because it looks so damn solid and all the reviews I saw in YouTube seems that it sounds phenomenal buuuut, I went fro the CS-L. Gosh demon aye, best best best sound source I have ever listen to, really. The quality is a bit doubtable to be fair, It looks super formal and gorgeous but the face panel is clearly plastic (also the knobs BUT doesn't feel cheap) but is indeed solid (not as solid as de ve-co)
I have to say that it's a little bit of a thing the "hands-on" process because it's small (26hp for a CO - this is the main reason why I picked it, cause my cases aren't that big) but jesus christ, it's just comes straight from the output and the path-signal is just pure cosmic sound design exploration (i'm sending cv from the pico seq and it's sooo easy)
No more experience with CO's. I have read about them all, my choose was this (as I mention the size it was pretty handy for me - you can check on my rack https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_1788210.jpg ) but it does sound so clean: Cs-L guys from INSTRUO if at some point you read this, thumbs up !
This is my first post in ModularGrid, big fan
Cheers lads !
Just starting in Eurorack, my main focus is on granular textures and I'm trying to build an ambient hip hop type box. So I wanted to start with a home for Morphagene and then build on that as I get savings. My next purchase is Maths, then probably Ikarie, and some more utilities though I'm not sure what order to get them in. Everything is housed in a Mantis Case.
TL/DR: Man seeks to mangle audio from DAW and create quirky loops with DFAM. Did he do this right?
-- rckitup
Yes...and no. And the "no" part has to do with having the DFAM in your cab, filling up 60 rather spendy HP. You should take that out, put it back in ITS case and on ITS power, and leave the cab for things that have neither. As for the "yes"...it's sort of conditional on that DFAM's presence as well. Thus far, the module choices are OK, but there's quite a bit missing which also requires putting the DFAM back where it belongs. There's things that could be done better here, but if you don't have room for the modules that would need, you're sort of stuck.
-- Lugia
Okay but what would I be missing? I guess you mean the 3 Envelopes the Dfam can put out? Im interested.
i did rework the whole case tho, ill probably post a more focused question soon, theres a couple of things im getting stuck on.
It may be worth getting a Disting EX. The EX is a little more expensive than two mk4's and is less "eurorack-y" but it is far more usable than the mk4 and it is just a very flexible module. Some things I like using the EX for is as a wavetable sound source, a mono-to-stereo reverb, a compressor, a precession adder, and as a clockable AD envelope.
If you are looking for a random cv/gate generator a good one to look at is the Clank Chaos. It has 6 channels of gates and cv with the ability to go from very random to a repeating loop and it has a variety of additional useful features such as slew and quantize capabilities. If you want to make percussive sounds you should look at Rings. I find Rings very useful for as a type of accent tool, for lack of a better term. It is not uncommon for my patches to have audio be split to Rings and have the accent/reset of one of my sequencers ping Rings. If you are looking for envelopes the Behringer 140 is a solid option. It may be a bit too much HP-wise but you get two independent ADSRs with two normal outs from each ADSR and an inverted out. It also comes with a solid LFO. I have never tried this but I do believe you can use the LFO of the 140 as a basic waveform oscillator too via its frequency CV in.
If you want to have more tactile control over the gates you are using you can take a Grids and use it in the gate mode. This allows you to control the frequency of the gates and how many there are using your hands. This can go well with a swing module so that the clock that it receives leads to not completely on the grid notes. Something I would recommend, especially if you do go this rout, is to get some type of fader bank. I use MSW's but I know they aren't the only ones who make this. Having faders outside of the case that can control things can make modulation much easier, especially if you are using Grids like this.
In your situation I would probably go with the Verbos Multiple Envelope, I think the different outputs would complement the BIA very well and make it sound like more than a single voice. A lot of people associate it with the Varigate but it's not my style. Each Verbos module screams techno and later on you will find plenty of uses for the gate outs. You will also be able to feed the sequential switch with various outs. As of clock modulators, IDK, you could use the Maths to create gate delays or go with the Malekko quad delay (see Divkid video)? Maybe a burst generator would be cool, Ladik make an inexpensive one. But make sure you validate these with others, I far from excel at planning racks!
@jb61264 The Font on top right is a filter! I second the FX AID. Also how do you usually use the o_c? If you're stuck on a specific app, you could buy a module devoted to a similar utility (eg. Quadraturia --> Batumi). I'm far from being an expert but I'd say you lack some sort of clock modulator to create more interesting rhythms of of the Pamela (except if you're happy programming it but I'm not), and maybe complex envelopes (BIA is a sucker for envelopes)
-- gorilla
What would you suggest for Envelopes for BIA?
o_c is for turing machine mostly:) It's just cheaper than actual turing machine lol
@jb61264 The Font on top right is a filter! I second the FX AID. Also how do you usually use the o_c? If you're stuck on a specific app, you could buy a module devoted to a similar utility (eg. Quadraturia --> Batumi). I'm far from being an expert but I'd say you lack some sort of clock modulator to create more interesting rhythms of of the Pamela (except if you're happy programming it but I'm not), and maybe complex envelopes (BIA is a sucker for envelopes)
I would look at something like FX Aid XL which will give you lots more effects in fewer HP...or have a look at the Versio series from Noise Engineering. Nice that you can easily switch out firmware to any of the others that they have available.
Don't see any sort of filter in your rack yet...Doepfer Wasp or TipTop Forbidden Planet are good smaller HP filters
Disting EX may also get you some good mileage/HP in a smaller case like this
I posted my Matriarch, polyphonic companion some time ago but cannot find the thread again, so here is the updated version! I'd be interested to get some critics. I hope it will also give ideas to people building something similar. My goal is to get access to a good bunch of polyphony technics and overcome some of the limitations of the Matriarch. I tried to describe different ways to use the rack but it might seem too obvious to more advanced synthesists!
Chord related Arps
Harmonaig multed outs to BBT. It can be transposed further by the Sequence Selector into uScale. The 2 outs from uScale can be switched or T&Held by the Select 2.
Note related Voice
One Harmonaig out into uScale while a o_c sequence sends 1V/oct to the shift input, creates 2 related voices where transposition can be sequenced independently and envelopes to shift input create note bursts.
Simple Inversion and Voicing sequencing
5V into Réseaux provides 4 VCs to be fed into signal selectors or the 1U sequential switch. They can be used to sequence Harmonaig's voicing and/or Inversion.
Polyphonic voices w/ variable amplitudes
Polyphonic envelopes + Morph 4 address the Matriarch mixer limitations as it can't be VCed. They replace my actual setup of Zadar + Quad VCA. Envelopes can be used to advance the Sequence selector and/or select active stages.
Note hocketing etc.
Done through Step 8 + Ruissellement
Notes
I don't know if the sequencing part is well addressed. What I'm sure of is that I just CAN'T program the Matriarch sequencer and see myself using it less and less. I may miss offset/attenuverters and fw rectifiers to create positive LFOs. If I can get rid of the Next Phase, I'd be happy to take input on what I could add there instead. I've been hesitant in selecting the Harmonaig instead of the Bard's quartet and ended up getting 2 quantizers. Another solution would be to use a dual quantizer from Hemisphere and replace uScale with a 6HP dual sequencer (or a sequencer with scale and a transpose input eg. the Tirana). Cheers!
A fun dual purpose module from Synthrotek, a wave folder and a ring modulator in one unit.
Pretty straightforward build, and good interface when you start to use it. Fold build
I'd get Plaits over Brains. If you're set on this amount of space, the 4HP is worth the extra dosh, and you'd be supporting MI over Behringer. And it looks better, which is what really matters. :-)
So in short: A 258T, folder, noise, quadratt, input/output, along with the PNW, Maths, 1x Veil, and Beads. Midi module can wait, an it is out of stock around where I am, or even online; but I can use CV outs on a controller etc for now. Something like the following, including a Disting EX for Swiss army knife of stuff.
PNW can be used to generate quantized, looped pitch sequences as well as gates, triggers and modulation, so all that is covered - having the ability to program sequences should be secondary at the moment compared to learning how modular works, at least for a while... a disting might be a good idea as it will allow you to play with different things - however, I would learn to use the other modules first - maybe consider adding the disting in a few months
if & when you do get a disting, don't try to play with all the algos at one go - work out a few algos you want to learn about and make use of the favourites feature to concentrate on those - if you find you particularly like one algo, replace that with a dedicated module and then re-configure you favourites (and repeat!!!)
I'd also recommend downloading the 'maths illustrated supplement' and working through that a few times - try to work out the why and how of what you are doing - it's a great learning resource, if you do this instead of just blindly patching....
-- JimHowell1970
Okay, sounds like a good plan. I read similar suggestions, and think I could resist getting side tracked with the Disting is probably fool hardy. I tried to get the doc the other day, but it was through some download site I got blocked by, will try again later.
So in short: A 258T, folder, noise, quadratt, input/output, along with the PNW, Maths, 1x Veil, and Beads. Midi module can wait, an it is out of stock around where I am, or even online; but I can use CV outs on a controller etc for now. Something like the following, including a Disting EX for Swiss army knife of stuff.
PNW can be used to generate quantized, looped pitch sequences as well as gates, triggers and modulation, so all that is covered - having the ability to program sequences should be secondary at the moment compared to learning how modular works, at least for a while... a disting might be a good idea as it will allow you to play with different things - however, I would learn to use the other modules first - maybe consider adding the disting in a few months
if & when you do get a disting, don't try to play with all the algos at one go - work out a few algos you want to learn about and make use of the favourites feature to concentrate on those - if you find you particularly like one algo, replace that with a dedicated module and then re-configure you favourites (and repeat!!!)
I'd also recommend downloading the 'maths illustrated supplement' and working through that a few times - try to work out the why and how of what you are doing - it's a great learning resource, if you do this instead of just blindly patching....
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
--- 1U Row---
The 1U - makes sense to me, and without QoP drum module, the midi controls in there should be more then enough to start. Saves 3U space.
personally I think 1u makes little, to no, sense whatsoever... the cost of the 1u row is the same as for a 3u row, or in some cases more, I'd much rather buy 2 tiptop mantis cases than 1 of the intellijel 7u cases... and you can get much much more functionality in a 3u row than in a 1u row...
Yeah total get that, and if was do it again, it would probably do differently. But with the fact that I have the case now, and no real way to return it, I think the modules suggested makes sense.
---Audio Row---
Also about tuning the oscillators, I guess I would need to tune with an external module or scope?
a free phone app or a guitar tuner pedal (plus appropriate cable) or your DAW (if you have one) will work for tuning!!!
Doh, yeah :P
--- Good starting build---
In the context of:
1) What I was willing to spend originally with endorpin.es setup
2) Assuming I minimally start with 1x single 258T, 1x Folder, and the 1U utilities
3) And I currently have PNW, Maths, 1x Veils, and Beads already
What other modules would you suggest to start with right away, and maybe a couple additional modules after? Also not to many modules, to get overwhelmed :0
none - just grab the vco and folder (& the utilities) and see where you are - learn these modules inside and out and then start working out what you are reaching for - and then slowly add modules that add those functions
-- JimHowell1970
So in short: A 258T, folder, noise, quadratt, input/output, along with the PNW, Maths, 1x Veil, and Beads. Midi module can wait, an it is out of stock around where I am, or even online; but I can use CV outs on a controller etc for now. Something like the following, including a Disting EX for Swiss army knife of stuff.
--- 1U Row---
The 1U - makes sense to me, and without QoP drum module, the midi controls in there should be more then enough to start. Saves 3U space.
personally I think 1u makes little, to no, sense whatsoever... the cost of the 1u row is the same as for a 3u row, or in some cases more, I'd much rather buy 2 tiptop mantis cases than 1 of the intellijel 7u cases... and you can get much much more functionality in a 3u row than in a 1u row...
---Audio Row---
Also about tuning the oscillators, I guess I would need to tune with an external module or scope?
a free phone app or a guitar tuner pedal (plus appropriate cable) or your DAW (if you have one) will work for tuning!!!
--- Good starting build---
In the context of:
1) What I was willing to spend originally with endorpin.es setup
2) Assuming I minimally start with 1x single 258T, 1x Folder, and the 1U utilities
3) And I currently have PNW, Maths, 1x Veils, and Beads already
What other modules would you suggest to start with right away, and maybe a couple additional modules after? Also not to many modules, to get overwhelmed :0
none - just grab the vco and folder (& the utilities) and see where you are - learn these modules inside and out and then start working out what you are reaching for - and then slowly add modules that add those functions
"some of the best base-level info to remember can be found in Jim's sigfile" @Lugia
Utility modules are the dull polish that makes the shiny modules actually shine!!!
@Lugia TYVM for putting this together, helps a lot. I started researching the forums more and worked on some variations this weekend. The Mod/Utility row looks "similar" to what I put together. In the context of starting with 1x 281T and a few other items first, see below, can you comment on the following?
--- 1U Row---
The 1U - makes sense to me, and without QoP drum module, the midi controls in there should be more then enough to start. Saves 3U space.
---Audio Row---
For the Audio Row, totally see what you are getting at with the HP/cost etc. I do have the Furthrrr now, but I can return pretty easily (15min walk to the shop with 14 day return). I put it in a pico case and on my scope to check it out last night. I see the similarities with the Sin/Square, Sin/Sawtooth, and the wave folding. It looks like the Furthrrr has the choice of Sin/Sawtooth/Square on both oscillators, I guess I could use 2x 258t to do dual square setup if I wanted, correct?
I am not sure how to match up the Furthrrr bus switch for balanced, amplitude, frequency, and "furthrrr" settings, with your suggested build. Looks like the 1U noise tools provides the the features of the noise in the Furthrrr, and more features. Also about tuning the oscillators, I guess I would need to tune with an external module or scope?
Still wrapping my head around the mixing, other aspects at the end.
--- Mods/Utils ---
For the Mod/Utils I worked up something similar with the PNW, Disting Ex, Batumi / Zadar with breakouts, and Maths; though mine was missing the MISO, and Doepher ADSRs.
--- Good starting build---
In the context of:
1) What I was willing to spend originally with endorpin.es setup
2) Assuming I minimally start with 1x single 258T, 1x Folder, and the 1U utilities
3) And I currently have PNW, Maths, 1x Veils, and Beads already
What other modules would you suggest to start with right away, and maybe a couple additional modules after? Also not to many modules, to get overwhelmed :0
TYVM for your time
Different, hm? OK, here's what's in there and why...
Amusingly, that Buchla + Joranalogue combo costs $360...which is why I put TWO of 'em in there, and you STILL beat the Endorphin.es complex oscillator price! FYI, those Joranalogue waveshapers can take inputs from BOTH of the 258's two oscillators to "mash" the signals together as a waveshaped single signal with a bunch of FM or whatever else suits the occasion. Should be a fun rig!
-- Lugia
