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Do have it. It does very well if you need AD envelopes, and you can also individually gate each one. The inverters are always useful. I personally have it downstream from a clock (Hermod) that then goes into a sequencer (Popcorn) and I use two slopes for voices and the other two to modulate things at half the speed with the built in clock divider. You can also break the normalling of the LFO as the clock and manually step through the divisions as a per-step set of rising and falling LFOs like a Stages.
-- DrFrunkensteen
Thanks for your answer!
Hi,
I've searched other threads and haven't found anything.
Does anyone have experience with this ST MODULAR module?
I'm looking for a multiple EG and I've come across this module, which apart from 4 EGs with modifiable shapes through internal LFO, also has an internal clock with dividers to be able to trigger the different AR's by itself.
I am surprised by all this functionality for such an affordable module (assembled by a professional it costs around €150)
I would appreciate your comments.
Ferran.
Note: I kow it, I have published this same thing in modwiggler, but hey, just in case someone here does not visit that page....
Thanks!
Hi,
I think you will need more power for this rack. CP1A only gives 1A +/-12V.
With current modules, you will need at least 2A +12V. https://www.modulargrid.net/e/4ms-company-row-power-45
With a brick power source you have the 4ms for example, but I would consider an internal source or perhaps better an already powered box like the Mantis. You lose the 1U row but you gain power quality.
Regarding the modules
-I would keep the Maths option as modulation source. Your effects modules and complex voices have a lot to modulate.
-I would add a quantizer and an auxiliary mixer for complex modulation shapes, maybe a matrix mixer.
Best regards,
Here's an exploration of hocketing in a modular system, using Disting EX's "Chord Engine." Detailed patch notes in the video.
Very nice and technically very elaborate. Great video, thanks moogul for post it.
Hi,
I don't understand your question very well.... My advice would be:
-Leave the moogs in their boxes, since they take up a lot of space and power in the rack.
-Use the power supply of the rack for the modules that you buy.
-A rack can have different sources and feed different modules, by rows, for example. Imagine a 12U rack with two PSUs, one for each 6U rows.
Best regards,
Hi,
From the advice I've read in forums, and from my personal experience, I think this has happened to almost all of us when we started.
In my case, I've been doing this for a year, and I'm already selling modules that I bought at the beginning because I barely use them.
And it's funny, because before I started assembling my rack, I read forums, and I saw advice from veteran people who recommended doing the exact opposite of what I ended up doing.
I think it's not about more or less modules, but about finding the module that gives you what you're looking for, for example, I started having 6 LFO's in my system divided into 3 modules, and in the end, I bought a NE Clep Diaz that it has replaced 4 of those LFO's. A module replaces 2 modules, and also offers, from my point of view, functionalities that are just what I was looking for.
---Ferran.
Hi,
I don't know Strymon module but addac has two independent lines, to make two independents pedal's chains.
Addac Isn't stereo,
I don't know if that feature is necessary for you.
Best regards,
Sorry, I meant to say start with a 6U case, not a 9U case.
Regarding the pedal, does it have a MIDI output? Normally to integrate pedals with Eurorack an ext module is used that amplifies/attenuates the outputs/returns.
For example https://www.modulargrid.net/e/addac-system-addac200pi-
it has 2 channels (for two independent pedal lines).
Best regards,
I ordered a NE Clep Diaz to @samsilver and everything fine.
Module in very good condition.
The only thing to comment is that it announced the Black model and in the end it was Silver. But it does not matter.
Recommended seller.
I have updated it now, it was the wrong link earlier.
So I only need the es9 and an inputmodul to meet my needs for connectivity?
Doepfer Input module has only one Input, if you need more inputs, you will need more input modules.
Although it is not necessary for everyone to have an envelope follower
For example, you have this one from Ladik, very cheap with 4 lines. https://www.modulargrid.net/e/ladik-a-520-4ch-in-line-preamp
Lastly, the two hundred pound thing is a typo, right?
I would at least be able to do this for below 300 pounds, if possible.
Only ES-9 costs more than 550 pounds new....
And you also have Arbhar and Morphagene.... Forget about spending less than 3000 pounds even getting good second hand
-- Markusbjorli
Hi,
Better share a link to the rack, so we can see the details of the different modules.
If you search on Youtube for Eurorack ambient or Eurorack Drone you will find many videos, some with in-depth explanations, especially for drones.
Modular is neither better nor worse for what you are looking for, what it is is very flexible and scalable, and mainly very expensive.
< Can I hook my modular setup up to logic, and record stuff from the modular in to logic all with the help of the expert sleepers es9? I know it allows you to record multitracks into the daw which is nice, but does it also work as an input?>
ES9 is basically an audio and midi output module. There are pre-amplified input modules, since you need to amplify the signal to Eurorack levels. Interesting that they have Envelope Follower, so you can generate CV from external sounds. For example the cheap Doepfer https://www.modulargrid.net/e/doepfer-a-119
I am using a Torso T-1 to sequence this module and I know I have the option to send cv with pitch OR velocity but I cannot get my head around as to how send various levels of velocity (I can do that on T-1 no problem with as it has a dedicated knob for this function).
When you say "you will need a sequential that has a velocity parameter" it refers to that?
The truth is that I don't know that sequencer, nor how it transmits the different parameters to the modular system. In that I can't help you.
Now, "modulate the trigger before entering into the SY0.5" in the trigger input or pitch?
The triggers can be modulated, you can get a 0 to 5V trigger from a 0 to 10V trigger.
CV actually stands for Voltage Control, and a trigger would be a type of CV, specifically a square waveform with a very small amplitude. This is why you can use a square wave LFO, for example, to trigger a drum module.
Really sorry if my question seems stupid but as I said, I am only starting.
Thanks a lot to both of you.
Olivier
Hi,
I imagine that they refer to the Trigger input, I see that it responds to different levels of the trigger, so the higher the peak voltage of the trigger, the greater the response of the internal VCA.
Other modules respond the same to a 6V trigger as to a 8V trigger or a 10V trigger. In this case, it appears that the trigger directly drives an internal VCA, so it is sensitive to the trigger voltage.
To take advantage of this you will need a sequential that has a velocity parameter or modulate the trigger before entering into the SY0.5.
Best regards,
-- ferranadsr
Hi,
I imagine that they refer to the Trigger input, I see that it responds to different levels of the trigger, so the higher the peak voltage of the trigger, the greater the response of the internal VCA.
Other modules respond the same to a 6V trigger as to a 8V trigger or a 10V trigger. In this case, it appears that the trigger directly drives an internal VCA, so it is sensitive to the trigger voltage.
To take advantage of this you will need a sequential that has a velocity parameter or modulate the trigger before entering into the SY0.5.
Best regards,
Good morning,
Leaving aside questions of taste, companies, and even more so very small companies, as most module manufacturers tend to be, must adjust their production to demand, and if the majority demand is for black panels.... then black panels.
Anyway, a Roland TR8-S is black, and people don't ask for it in white, or red, or blue, and a company like Roland for example, could afford that functionality and sell it as a limited edition, increasing the price 20%.
For the rest, I see well that these types of suggestions are given to manufacturers.
Best regards,
Hi,
It also took me exactly a year to realize two things:
-A fully featured eurorack format sequencer module is very expensive and large, which brings me to my second point.
-Case space is very valuable, if you want to keep a reasonable case size (9U for example).
Before starting with modular I already had an Arturia BSP and it works very well combined with Eurorack. You can use it via MIDI with a converter module or use the dedicated outputs directly with patch cables, like I'm doing.
This also applies to percussion modules type TipTop 808-909, without modulation.
For the price of 3 of them, you have a good external drum machine.
However, the percussion modules with several CV parameters, those do make sense to include in the rack.
Best regards,
Earlier today I made a purchase from @Vermeil for a Voltage Block that he had going.
I’m currently looking at purchasing a few more modules and as this one is pretty scarce and on my list I jumped at the chance.. I agreed to pay his asking price and shipping charges (even shook on it virtually 🤝) but chose not to go ahead with his request to use a friends and family PayPal payment.
With that in mind I paid the fee so as not to have any back and forth and possibly loose out on the module. At this point I get a reply telling my I have not paid the fee and that I need to pay more money.. my reply was the fee is 2.9% right?
I then receive an email saying he can sell locally and doesn’t want to risk sending the module. A refund seems to be in the works but it hasn’t yet hit my account. It’s a substantial amount from my new module budget, I just hope it doesn’t inhibit a future purchase.
It’s a shame my first purchase on Modular Grid turned out to be a bit of a negative experience but I won’t let this taste linger as I’m pretty sure there are plenty of good folk selling desirable gear on here..
Here’s to them and anyone else searching for their dream set up 🍻
That said if anyone has a Voltage Block (v1.5/6) for sale I’m definitely interested and have part of my budget waiting.
Happy Sunday folks!!
Edit: just crossed my mind that this dude also now has a considerable amount of my personal details 🤦♂️ (PayPal user Maxime Rosa)
-- SAG88
Hi,
I always ask that they give me the total price: Module+postage+Paypal fees. Normally a 4% fee is requested.
BR
Modules for ambient are usually large modules, so you need a lot more space to begin with.
For example, https://www.modulargrid.net/e/make-noise-mimeophon already consumes 16HP
You should think of another voice for those strings. A clone of MI plaits is very versatile.
I don't know what use you give to the two Distinguishings, I imagine effects. For the type of music you want, a resonator like MI Rings and the Mimeophon that I mentioned before would suit you well. You will need effects with a lot more control than disnting gives you. And to shoot everything some trigger/cv generator like MI Marbles (or clones) https://www.modulargrid.net/e/after-later-audio-dice.
A noise source and some utilities like a sequential switch, mixer/attenuator/attenuverter.
-- HenryVomit
I don't know, I just gave you general ideas.
It seems to me that the Doepfer busboard has fast-on type flat terminals and the adapter that I am telling you about is for a screw terminal
I think the mixer/out module has to be the last one in the chain. If you add an effects module later I don't think you can ensure that the output level is not too high for the input of the console. Taking into account that the effect modules usually add feedback, increasing the level of the output audio. I don't know that table or the effects it can cause on it apart from saturating.
-Clouds as main effects module. -> what do you mean by main effects module ? Don't get me wrong, Clouds is a fantastic module (I own a Beads), but I don't think it would be my first choice for a main effects module in a techno oriented rack. For me at least, techno means tempo-synced FX so depending on the available cash, I'd be looking at the NE effect module which can switch firmware, the FX Aid (XL or Pro probably), the Make Noise Mimeophon or the Intellijel Rain Maker, all useful for techno and also open to lots of experimentation. If you haven't already, get some play time with Clouds in VCV to make sure it's the right choice for you ;-)
You're right, and I always make the same mistake of looking at modules that cover many aspects instead of focusing on a
specific point. My option would be NE Imitor Versio but it is beyond my current budget, it will have to wait.
-I'm thinking of also adding a Waveshaper like the Fold6 or maybe NE Pura Ruina. -> if you can build a kit, the Reverse Landfill Monotropa v3 is an interesting choice IMO, it's a great value module with again possibilities for experimentation outside of the obvious first use cases.
Reverse Landfill Monotropa v3 is a very interesting module, I have the option of asking RTFM to mount it for me.
-I want to avoid "menu-diving" modules as much as possible, I know that PAM's and Ornament are great modules, but at the moment they are not among my goals. -> if there is one menu based multifunction module I'd recommend for a techno rack like yours, that's Pam's. You can send offsets to the CV inputs coming from a module with a better/larger interface for that, say an Intellijel Triplatt for example, attenuating (lol) the "playability issue" if necessary. I used to own a BIA and that thing loves synced modulation, I mean it eats modulation for breakfast, so my guess is you're going to need a lot of it :-) Pam's can definitely do the job, but if you're looking for playable interface, there's also the obvious Voltage Block (I suppose availability could be an issue), or Mimetic Digitalis from NE, Maestro from Acid Rain, etc. Depending on the type of modulation signal you're looking for, you could also look into synced-looping cv that is not synced waveforms or stepped cv, like the Flame C3 mk2 for example which records your unquantized knob turns but also offers a reset input to create repeating patterns.
My idea was to use the mixed signal from EG and LFO's, Clep Diaz (I love that module) and specially Turing Machine, maybe
with the expansion, to modulate BIA.
I update the rack with some of your suggestions.
Thank you very much for your time giving me ideas.
After 5 months in modular, this is what I have.
The top 2 rows are my current rack, and the bottom row is the list of modules I want to add soon.
I started with basic modules and little by little I want to give it more complexity.
Of the modules I have, my idea is to get rid of the 3lfo from Takaab, maybe the Skew Fade LFO from ZLOB and the Doepfer A-196 PLL (doesn't fit what I'm looking for).
I currently use an Arturia BST pro as my sequencer.
The sound I'm looking for is Techno style, but without closing the door to something more experimental.
The modules that I want to incorporate:
-NE Clep Diaz as step by step modulation and random source.
-NE BIA for percussion or bass line.
-An additional module for my mixer, in this case with stereo inputs.
-Knight's Gallop for Euclidean patterns that complement the more linear BSP patterns
-Turing Machine and quantizer for melodies and semi-random pads.
-Clouds as main effects module.
-I'm thinking of also adding a Waveshaper like the Fold6 or maybe NE Pura Ruina.
-I want to avoid "menu-diving" modules as much as possible, I know that PAM's and Ornament are great modules, but at the moment they are not among my goals.
I would like your advice on my future list, if you would change or add any module to that list.
Thank you,
I now have serious doubts about the Z5000. That was the last (admittedly probably pretty poor) choice after a long process of getting first order in. I will most likely return this, unless I can be persuaded otherwise. If this is removed...
That leaves 33 HP left.
About the mixer, I would add some auxiliary mixer, small format, they are cheap and they are always useful for audio or cv.
VCA's are required. Intellijel Quad VCA would be my choice, also if you find any second hand MI Veils.
Regarding the Z5000, if you already have it, keep it, the effects are necessary, especially delay.
I feel like I'm missing something like an Intellijel Quad VCA. Thoughts?
VCA's are required. Intellijel Quad VCA would be my choice, also if you find any second hand MI Veils.
Am I still short a mixer? Not sure if the X-Pan is enough on that front...
About the mixer, I would add some auxiliary mixer, small format, they are cheap and always useful for audio or cv
Yes, but now I am using the last two or three sequences of the drum sequencer to have the clock /2, /3 and /4.
I definitely have to buy a clock divider :-)
Hi, 0-ctrl is a pitch and gate sequencer, and it has a main clock output, but I think that you will need a clock divider to handle this output. I'm using Arturia beatstep pro as a external sequencer and main clock output its soooooooo fast. I don't know 0-ctrl specifications in this point.
BR
Many of us follow the "on budget" restriction, but I see the 4ms pod more as an auxiliary box, and not very comfortable to chain with others. In addition to the recommended TipTop mantis (6U 104 HP) you have some less ambitious options to start with. For example https://koma-elektronik.com/?product=koma-case-3u-84hp-powered which would cost you about €90 more than the 4MS. The good thing about it is the system to grow, you can easily add another 84Hp case using the same source, depending of course on the consumption of modules that you include. €90 is money in real life but nothing in the modular world, believe me.
Regarding the modules, I miss a quantized pitch source and some gate or clock generator.
A filter is essential too. Doepfer has good filters at very affordable prices.
The VCA and envelopes part you have covered at the moment with Maths.
A small mixer (perhaps also from Doepfer) will allow you to send more than one signal from your Dixie (it has 6 outputs) to the Z5000.
To start and adjust to the budget you can always look at modules from Ladik or Doepfer. They have many utilities at a very good price.
I'm a developer, and even if you have the knowledge, it is not an easy task to modify the code written by another, especially if that other person is the creator of the Hardware. Anyway, if it's a small change, don't be discouraged and get your hands on it.
It is difficult or even impossible to break the hardware through code. It is more dangerous to manipulate the hardware.
In case my opinion may be useful, six months ago I started with modular hardware. I have started with a very tight budget, and acquiring modules for a "basic" patch (VCO, filter, VCA's, basic Envelopes).
After many "patch and unpatch" I think that, although the basic utilities (VCA's, LFO's, envelopes) are essential, but more complex modules are the ones that give more room for experimentation. Mainly effects (delay, distortion), waveshapers and filters with some extra function.
I think that now I have entered a second phase, where I am exploring for example my Endorphin.es Airstreamer and my NE Viol Ruina filter and although they are quite basic modules, it is surprising what they give of themselves.
A couple suggestions, though I think this looks pretty fun already:
I'd consider scrapping both Ochd and Clep Diaz in favor of Pamela's New Workout (or, if you can find it, the new Pro >Workout). Close enough to the same number of modulation sources, but with much more control over them, in the same HP.
Pamela's is a great module, and I imagine I'll end up having it too, but I'm not much of a menu-diving person, and even less if @danmala goal is live-performance-improvisation.
I recommend @danmala to watch the videos of mylarmelodies and the importance that she gives to the knob "that changes everything". I see menu-based modules more as patch and forget.
I think BIA is awesome, as ferranadsr says... but Tymp Legio covers about half of the same ground. I don't know that I'd swap out the Moskwa Ostankino combo... but I wonder if you might save HP in other places (say by swapping the Wasp filter for something in 4-6hp, using your last 2hp, etc.) to make room for it.
Regarding BIA, I thought it was for the purely percussion theme, but I didn't notice that you already have Plonk and Tym Legio. But we come back to the same thing, personally BIA is more direct to handle than Plonk.
Another option would be to add a Dixie II+ type oscillator https://www.modulargrid.net/e/intellijel-dixie-ii-
it takes up little space, and you can feed the 4 channels of your Percall with some sound, since from what I see, your voices already incorporate an envelope.
One addition that might really be great, given your stated techno use, is the DivKid Mutes module. Being able to manually turn on and off 4 sources of modulation, sound, gates, triggers, etc. is lots of fun.
-- Shakespeare
I think I’m missing inspiration around modulation. I have plenty of sources (clep diaz being the most recent addition) but struggle to get great results out of them. Any tips / learnings / changes / additions?
Maybe try a mixer to create complex modulation signals (mixing several envelopes, or envelopes and the sequence of voltages that Clep Diaz gives you, LFO's, or maybe some feedback signal.
Clep diaz is also very useful for sequencing the CV of a filter.
For these cases the ideal would be a matrix mixer, since it allows you more than one different output, but if not with a simple mixer you have it too.
I’m not really clicking with Bloom at the moment. I bought it for the evolving / fractal nature of it, but on reflection I think I’m missing a sequencer that gives me more hands on / immediate control. Of course I can use Ableton for this (and I have a Keystep Pro too) but having something else in the rack might open things up for me and means I won’t need to break from the patch to change / modify sequences. Thoughts?
