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Ahhh...yeah, probably a fubar attempt to post an A-178 which got some things wrong...user probably deleted it.

OK...took a shot at this. I didn't put in a few modules (Kickall, Ears, Branches, Shades) because the Palette has some better ways of addressing what those do. Kickall, however, just didn't fit in with where this went, however, the Ears was dropped in deference to the Intellijel Stereo In, Shades gets dealt with by the two DuATTs, and Branches just...didn't really fit either, mainly because that works better if there's some logic to work with as well, and there's not.

So, looking at this as a monosynth, I went with a relatively straightforward approach...

Tiles: Stereo Input (from the Palette's first 1/4" jack pair), and MIDI interface, then a DuATT bookending each end of a Noise Tools (clock, noise source, S&H, slew limiter). A Stereo VCA and a Stereo Mix (which is also the output, feeding the other pair of 1/4" jacks) end things up. One bit about those last two: the VCA + first input pair could be used to fly FX in over the main mix coming off of the Q-Mix.

Row: Konstant Lab PWRchekr...shame that Intellijel doesn't put rail indicators on these, but at least Konstant Lab has that covered. Then the Tides, and a Zadar (with Nin) bracket a pair of VCAs, so that you can have VCA level control over modulation signals. As for mixing those signals, that's what the DuATTs are for. Then the Braids and the Athru have their own VCA pair...and I should note, these little dual VCAs do use the same topology as Mutable's Veils VCAs, but they save loads of space and, in this case, they downright make this thing GO. And going from zero VCAs to eight will definitely make that happen.

After that, your Blades dual VCF, then another VCA pair for post-VCF amplitude control going into either the Q-Mix, Rings, or the Stasis Leak, which gives you stereo reverb, chorus, or a tap-tempo delay with mono-in/stereo-out. Then the mixer: Alyseum's Q-Mix, which gives you four input channels with panning.

There's a lot more going on here now. With the addition of the VERY necessary VCAs, there'll be a lot more level control capability, plus you now have FX, you've got some mix/attenuator modules, proper MIDI, and so on. Definitely not a pile of "leftovers" now!

I know what it is - this was in response to a new module being posted that didn't have a picture for the face plate and was labelled A-178 Theremin CV source but had the wrong HP number (and the module already had an entry). Thus I wondered whether this was some newly announced new version or something. The module's gone by now so I'm gonna assume that that's not the case.

Toss the mults. You only need buffered mults when you have to maintain tuning on a CV or something similar that would be affected by voltage sag. And once they're out of the picture, the regular mults can also go away, in deference to using some inline mults and/or stackcables. That'll get 8 hp back for use elsewhere, for starters.

As for mixing, I'll echo Jim's sentiment here as well...while also adding that, since this build depends heavily on two stereo modules for its voicing, you have absolutely no way of implementing those stereo paths via panning. There's no stereo mixer at the end where you might find an AUX send/return, or where you could just basically patch something like the Beads after the mixer and balance that via its wet/dry settings. Can't get much anywhere else with just the image, tho...

Theremin Control Voltage Source. It's not a theremin, but the part of the theremin that can either control pitch or amplitude. You'd have to patch up more modules to give this (should be "these", actually...theremins tend to have two aerials) a voice.

Also +1 on marking the Intellijel and Pulplogic tile types. It strikes me that a solution might be to put checkboxes in the new module submission forms, then have a letter or letters in the row that has the module name. Granted, this would also involve going back and correcting the huge pile of earlier submissions, but given that I've seen a couple of dings on MG about not having this, it might be time to implement something.

You might set it up so that if someone is entering a module that they've designated as a 1U tile in the form factor part of the form, then that activates a set of checkboxes for, say, "no format" (for things like utility bars, etc), "Pulplogic", "Intellijel", or "both" (if both faceplate formats are available). And make it so that if this isn't checked, the form won't allow itself to be submitted...so the tile typing MUST be done before submission is possible. Then, when people look at a tile listing, they'll find a "P" or "I"...or both, or when needed. Or neither. If that could get done early on, it'd open up time for going back to correct previous listings as there wouldn't be any non-categorized tiles getting added anymore.

Getting back into synths after many many years away from synths, Korg Polysix and a bit of Modular in the 80s/90s.

What I have now/ordered:
1) Intellijel 7U stealth case inflight
2) KMI/ES DIY Kits VCO, VCA, and EV; probably get the rest for learning purposes, may use long term if they work out
3) Mutable Instruments - Plaits, Beads - still in their boxes, waiting on case; can replace with others modules, can still return.

What I want:
1) Fully Modular, Racked, outside of controller (keystep pro or other)
2) Minimize the use of DAW
2) 2-3 additional voices for bass, pads, lead
3) Include West Coast / Complex Oscillator - heavily leaning towards Endorphin.es Shuttle but optimized as modules in intellijel case (leverage 1Us, mono inputs on cockpit, etc.)
4) Granular Module - Beads, Morphagene, or Arbhar
5) Drum Kit in Rack - mainly EDM - Queen of Pentacles, Black Noir, other?
6) Mordax Date or Other - oscilloscope, VC monitoring, and tuner; I have a bench oscilloscope but want something easy to use in the case.

Budget is flexible, just don't want to waste money (doesn't provide educational or enjoyment value).

Thanks for the help!

if they bring out some kind of random preset maker via their website or something and back it up with some kind of archive, people can join and add preset's, similar to microtonic in a way only a a more immersive approach and for lxr. Im sick of all this oh what wonderous nothing awaits, ............. other than that i guess its kind of cool, not sure if its got real modular synthesis or its purely dps on a circuit, still cool module, with a couple of separate outputs, cv ect always great.

I think the biggest thing I see here is that you have either 3 voices and 1 modulation module, or 4 voices and no modulation modules. Neither seems useful.

Second biggest thing: no VCAs.

Last question: how are you playing/sequencing this? That makes a difference for suggestions. If you're using midi, then not much to worry about... but if you're looking for in-rack sequencing, that would be good for us to know (though you have precious little space for it).

Assuming you want to keep this independent, I'd consider a 1u O_C, 1u VCAs, 1u noise/random, a 1u stereo mixer, and a Zadar or other quad modulation source.

Thank you for posting and providing me with ideas to use my Ts-L...As with everything I have in my setup, I'm apparently only scratching the surface of what this module can do :) I like you how are using it with Twin Waves as I've been looking to get that one as well.
-- jb61264

thanks, I really like to know where a given module can lead, so I try a lot of stuff, mostly terrible, but sometimes, some good stuff come off these experimentations. Before to get the system at my convenience, I have tryed a lot of modules, but I don't like objects, devices and all, so I really needed to get to know what mine can do so I can work with a reduced yet banging system. This also explains why I like the macro oscillators à la NE or MI that much.

EDITED Jun 3rd 2022, 17:04

please post a link to your public rack - i.e. the url... jpgs are shit when you want help - no infomatics, no-click through - there are nearly 10k modules... no one knows all of them!!!

micro versions of modules with trimmers instead of proper pots and knobs are not fun to play with - and there may be some new plaits available...

mixing solution looks poor - no real end of chain mixer... how are you going to monitor?

do you really need the mimetic digitalis and a quad quantizer when you have metropolix?

Thank you for posting and providing me with ideas to use my Ts-L...As with everything I have in my setup, I'm apparently only scratching the surface of what this module can do :) I like you how are using it with Twin Waves as I've been looking to get that one as well.

https://blackwarriorlures.bandcamp.com/album/ole-cane-pole

I'm planning on selling most of my semi-modular gear and moving fully to eurorack.

I'm trying to design a versatile 3 row x 84HP rack (252 HP total) that is able to evolve and loop randomly generated melodies/beats. I also really like playing around with polyrhythm/polymeter.

I've left some 1 HP spaces between some different "sections" of the rack for ease of viewing.

EDITED Jun 4th 2022, 11:51

Latest patch that I recorded. I'm a little puzzled where to go from here. On the one hand I want to do more rich compositions which would need more quantized CV options and some VCAs/LFOs. On the other Hand I'm still thinking to get some more sampled drum/background loops happening with something like the erica sample drum.

Open for any ideas.

Hi Garfield,

You're right, Quadigy doesn't work without 5v. So you have no choice with it.
But on Sweet Sixteen there is a jumper.

Cheers

Hi Klodifokan,

Great, thanks a lot for the additional modules :-)

By the way, are you sure the Klavis Quadigy can let the user decide (by a jumper on the PCB for example) if he/she wants to let the module use the +5 V or not? I can't see any jumper on that PCB from the pictures online. Or does this module always uses the +5 V?

Here in Germany we don't have a dealer for Tesseract. Can that one be changed by the user or is it also always using the +5 V?

Thanks a lot in advance and kind regards, Garfield.

What's the deal with this? The description just links to the original A-178, which already has a complete entry: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/doepfer-a-178 (the V2 version also has an entry of its own)

Thank you, it's very much motivating :) The next one, about Rings, is in the same vein, but I think I'll provide an instructional .pdf instead of screen datas.

I'm loving these Jamms in a box with all the additional camera work and detailed descriptions!

Keep it up.

Thank you very much Stuker! 🤘

It's a really great module, it's just what I wanted, well-building and very funtional.

Ha! Thanks for the details. It's even more impressive now I know more about how it was done. I don't post tracks on ModWig that much but I should post there more often. You won't get much feedback usually, but some people do listen.

I really want to see a side by side between this, the new Happy Nerding FX Aid Pro and the new ALM/Busy Circuits MFX. They all look good. I am not getting along with Beads and would like to replace it with one of these multi effects modules.

Very cool demo. Love these videos and the detailed patch notes you provide. Thank you!

Hi Informationsource, All,

Thanks a lot for those 3 modules with the +5 V usage possibility. If you know of any other modules, please add :-) Or if anyone else knows about modules that have this possibility, please let us know here in this post.

Thanks a lot and kind regards, Garfield.
-- GarfieldModular

Hi,
Klavis Quadigy and Tesseract Sweet Sixteen.

+1

I would also love to separate the Pulp Logic TILES size from the Doepfer 3U / Intellijel 1U STANDARD size. They are two different things and deserve different attention. Both are relevant in Eurorack but don't mix well. If I could search for only one or the other it would avoid much confusion while planning a layout.

I would also love to separate the Pulp Logic TILES size from the Doepfer 3U / Intellijel 1U STANDARD size. They are two different things and deserve different attention. Both are relevant in Eurorack but don't mix well. If I could search for only one or the other it would avoid much confusion while planning a layout.

Thanks again

Hi Informationsource, All,

Thanks a lot for those 3 modules with the +5 V usage possibility. If you know of any other modules, please add :-) Or if anyone else knows about modules that have this possibility, please let us know here in this post.

Thanks a lot and kind regards, Garfield.

I'd like a desktop layout where you could blend a screenshot of your modular rack, or many, along with any standalone equipment like synths and drum machines or guitar pedals and effect units. The pedals feature kinda does it already but it would need the addition of a lot more desktop devices and of course the screenshot as a device idea. This would make Pod layouts possible where you could arrange several separate small racks in a single space.

Thanks

Cheers :)

New jam, using the new Dreadbox Disorder Fuzz & Filter pedal with my Rhodes as the lead, it's a bit longer this time but hopefully not boring.

This is the case I used:

Patch Notes

Voices:
- Rhodes MkII Stage 73 amped by Mutable Instruments Ears, using Dreadbox Disorder as Fuzz & Filter, run through Mimeophon as delay.
- Instruo Ts-L + Eowave Titan Oscillator into ST Modular Werner as bassline, sequenced by Doboz XIIO with filter cutoff modulated by expression pedal from ADDAC Floor Control.
- Calsynth Rangoon sequenced by S.I.G. doing counter melody, with decay modulated by Make Noise Pressure Points.
- Ensemble oscillator through Bizarre Jezebel Pkhia as background harmony, sequenced by Clank Chaos.

Drums:
- Erica Pico Drums as kick.
- Blue Noise through Patching Panda Punch v3 as high-hat, with decay modulated by Make Noise Pressure Points.
- White Noise through Takaab LPG as snare.

Modulation:
- Clank Chaos as clock divider, gate generator and random CV generator.
- Mutable Instruments Stages as envelope generator.
- Instruo Ochd as LFOs

Utilities:
- MIAx3 as attenuation, mixer, offset.
- Super Vcas as vca and mixer.
- joeSeggiola's Nearness as panning sub-mixer.
- Cosmotronic Cosmix as mixer, using Dreadbox Splash as send effect.
- Music Thing Startup as mixer and clock generator and divider.

Whoa! That's freaking cool. How the hell did you do that? In YT it says "generative" but it does sound more composed than most generative stuff I listen to. Some great sounds in there.
-- TumeniKnobs

The "generative" was a total joke. There's nothing random or generative at all in this. I posted a vid a few days prior of the intial few bars and put generative and IDM in quotes, saying it was neither generative nor "I." All sequenced by 7 tracks of the NerdSeq. Nerd has 8 tracks, but I ran out of patterns, lol. Assimil8or is doing the heavy lifting with two breaks (Amen and Apache, of course.) Kick is SSF Ultra Kick and snare is the Kraken. TX81Z through Intellijel uFold for bass. Second TX doing some other bits. Minilogue XD doing the sinewave type melody. Acid lines are a Rubicon through Ripples and Plaits through Doepfer 18db. Used the computer as a tape recorder with just a little post EQ and verb.

Happy to hear you all liked it. No feedback from the wigglers.

Wow! Very nice.

Whoa! That's freaking cool. How the hell did you do that? In YT it says "generative" but it does sound more composed than most generative stuff I listen to. Some great sounds in there.

That gets into some excellent, spooky, trippy territory. Nicely done!

OK @Lugia I've completely reworked this question into what I think is an interesting and better-defined puzzle.

For this challenge, here are the supposed non-negotiables of case & modules (positioning can be changed, of course):

Where do you take it and what's the reasoning? :)

I didn't know the Kermit MKIII but it looks quite more versatile than the Zadar to me.
You get S&H and T&H, gated repeat (sort of burst generator I believe) and other goodies
edit : well Zadar has gated repeat too though!

EDITED Jun 1st 2022, 10:21

and good news the LFO mode is also accessible if you have the alternative firmware of Lylem, which I appreciate a lot!

https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/t/plaits-with-frequency-locking-and-aux-crossfade-alt-firmware/17340

Definitely a better use for the 5V rail! And given how much current that often gets hidden on that rail, it surprises me that pretty much no one else has tried a powering method like that. You sometimes see the 5V rail used to power the filaments on tube-based modules, or when there's a little processing chip onboard that needs it. But outside of that, nothing much, so this is a good trend, IMHO.
-- Lugia

Agreed! Others that I'm aware of (that also have this option in ModularGrid) are 4ms RCD + SMR and Noise Engineering BIA - there are likely more.

Dang it, all the uninstalled modules DO actually show up on my screen when I follow that rack link... underneath with the evil cat, of course!! lol

@Lugia you're saying that even when clicking the link directly to the rack itself, it doesn't show the unracked modules below it? Unfortunate.

... Wait, actually, when I test-view my own rack on a separate browser (where I'm not logged into my own ModularGrid account) then I have the same problem - visitors to my rack page don't see the "leftover" unracked modules anywhere, only modules that were placed into the rack

Hmmm... is there not a way to display unracked modules to other people? Sorry Lugia, I tried pretty hard to follow your helpful instructions in the post above but was not successful in getting unracked modules to display for my other browser.

Trying to think of a workaround rn! Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions... definitely still want feedback on this rack, though!

EDITED Jun 1st 2022, 01:48

Yes I originally bought the erica synth system3 and I've just been trying to build off that. I'll sell a few more of the ones I don't use. And eventually get the ones I'll have more use from.

Definitely a better use for the 5V rail! And given how much current that often gets hidden on that rail, it surprises me that pretty much no one else has tried a powering method like that. You sometimes see the 5V rail used to power the filaments on tube-based modules, or when there's a little processing chip onboard that needs it. But outside of that, nothing much, so this is a good trend, IMHO.

One question: why the reliance on the Erica modules...is this being built as an expanded prebuilt Erica system?

No modules in that linked build page...try this: put the modules in the cab first, then shift them OUT of the case. At that point, the rack should drop down a bit and then the SCION OF EVIL, the ModularGrid cat, will pop up to taunt you. But that'll put the modules AND the empty rack behind the link. Just make sure that, before you leave that page, you do a refresh on the "screenshot" option under "Views".

Nice!

I really appreciate everybody’s help out here and helping me do this. It’s like I want to do all these built but I need to commit to one . I check out all these options , and make this happen I will update my progress .

-cheers-
Alex

Modular + Minilogue + 2X TX81Z's

https://dspkills.bandcamp.com/track/great-value

For interested parties, I found MORDAX’s “system 5V” version yesterday. I added the silver panel from the SILVER, so all panel options should be available if you add this one to your rack/collection. Enjoy!

Added some suggestions to your rack.

1U
Quadratt - Tame wild CV from Mimetic and Pam's before sending to BIA and SD
Midi - for clock syncing and melody programming from other devices
Stereo Mixer - to mix and connect to the palette 1/4 jacks

3U
Pam's - Clock and synced modulations
Euclidian Circles - 6 channels of mathematically derived gate rhythms and manual step sequencing
Mimetic - stepped CV sequencing and modulations
BIA - kick or bass lines
Sample Drum - drums and breaks
Versio - awesome FX unit that can be reprogrammed with alternate algorithms

Patch to send modulations like crazy from Pam's and Mimetic. This will bring BIA, Sample Drum and Versio to life

If you'd rather focus on melodies and note programming, then swap out Versio for Scales or Pico SEQ. Maybe drop Pam's since you don't like menu diving, then add one of the note sequencers and keep some effects in the palette.

then... get a bigger case :D

EDITED May 31st 2022, 21:06